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Bill Clinton was right
Heritage Foundation ^ | August 24, 2006 | Robert Rector

Posted on 08/24/2006 6:41:04 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: pipecorp

That's the way I remember it too. "Forced down his throat" by the Republican Congress was exactly the way it happened.


41 posted on 08/24/2006 8:05:36 AM PDT by Fudd Fan ("The purpose of the UN is to ensure that the U.S. never wins another war." -HonestConservative)
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To: Brian Allen

The thing that really gets me, even today, is that the Big Creep turned around and took credit for it. I'll say one thing, I admire his chutzpah.


42 posted on 08/24/2006 8:18:43 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: Corin Stormhands
So you know him.........at least 13 years ago.......as a conservative?

Wonder why his memory has failed him so badly.....

43 posted on 08/24/2006 8:34:30 AM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: ohioWfan

When I was actually doing the policy work it was during the Reagan years. So that was a bit longer.


44 posted on 08/24/2006 8:47:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Nonetheless, if he was involved in policy work during the Reagan years, he should at least be educated as to what it took to get Clinton to sign welfare reform.

Wonder what the explanation is? Why is he painting the debauched one as better than he really was?

Most curious.

45 posted on 08/24/2006 8:54:30 AM PDT by ohioWfan (George W. Bush - "Take his character all together, and we shall not look upon his like again.")
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To: ohioWfan
Why is he painting the debauched one as better than he really was?

Makes no sense to me either. Particularly under the Heritage Foundation banner.

46 posted on 08/24/2006 8:56:27 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: pipecorp

You are correct .. he was dragged .. kicking and screaming to sign it. I always wondered why he didn't just veto it ..??

He could have used the standard dem line: "we [meaning the left] could have written a better plan .. however, we don't want to reveal what that is .. we'll wait until we get back in power".


47 posted on 08/24/2006 9:02:40 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Personally, I think folks here are responding to the headline and not reading the material (it's been known to happen).


48 posted on 08/24/2006 9:09:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: presidio9

Gosh, we had one heck of 2-man team back then, didn't we: one invented welfare reform, and the other, the internet. Oh, for the good old days.


49 posted on 08/24/2006 9:09:20 AM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Personally, I read the material. I also happen to have had some experience working "with" the Clinton Administration with regards to welfare reform.

So, there's that.


50 posted on 08/24/2006 9:13:59 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I'm not arguing, merely pointing out that when it came to symbolism-over-substance, Clinton was the master.


51 posted on 08/24/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: pipecorp
IIRC, this "reform" was shoved down his throat, he did not embrace it.

Unfortunately, when speaking of the Philanderer in Chief, there is no choice of words that fails to evoke unwanted images...

52 posted on 08/24/2006 9:20:22 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hack for liberty.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Okay. I'd agree with that.


53 posted on 08/24/2006 9:23:40 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: presidio9

Next this author will be extolling Clinton's passage of the middle class tax cut

Oh wait I forgot "He never worked so hard at anything in his life but just couldn't find the means "


54 posted on 08/24/2006 9:35:24 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: presidio9
X42 Clinton=WORDS & STYLE

Republican Congress=ACTION & SUBSTANCE!!

IF NOT for the GOP, welfare REFORM would NEVER have taken place. Period!!

55 posted on 08/24/2006 9:43:52 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: pipecorp
IIRC, this "reform" was shoved down his throat, he did not embrace it.

However, I agree with the author that candidate Clinton's rhetorical support was significant. It was rank hypocrisy, he didn't care whether it was ever enacted or not, it was campaigning. President Bush has a better but not perfect record of actually doing what he campaigned on. Then Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to ice his reelection, so he didn't veto. Now he takes credit.

Perhaps a lesson is that if Democrats are forced to say conservative things they don't really mean in order to get elected, it can ultimately be beneficial to the country. It is a fact that sometimes Dems will win. I'm glad they have to take the "moderate" DLC route to get elected to the Presidency. But sadly, while President, they use the moderate cover to give support to the hard left.

56 posted on 08/24/2006 9:50:39 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: ohioWfan
After five years on this forum, I'm still amazed by what some people will post just to get a dig in at this President.....

I give Bush credit where credit is due. And on the judiciary, tax cuts and the war on terror Bush has been great. But expanding the role of the federal government is a major difference between Conservative and Liberal philosophy, and Bush has been a liberal in this area. Some of it can be passed off on Katrina and the war on terror, but not the prescription drug program, not the no child left behind act. Realistically, Bush would be a lot more popular if he would attack the budget. Now most voters think the GOP is the party of big government. Is it too much to ask the President to at least pretend he cares about out of control run away government spending? I guess I am on the wrong forum if wanting to control the size of government is wrong.

57 posted on 08/24/2006 10:32:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: presidio9

The loopholes in the bill let "Welfare as we know it" pretty much intact in Minnesota which rejected following the Federal guidelines.


58 posted on 08/24/2006 10:32:39 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: presidio9

Gee whiz..... this is not the way I remember it. Am I senile or didn't he veto it twice?


(well maybe i do forget things but I remember bill clinton)


59 posted on 08/24/2006 10:40:26 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: presidio9

Clinton was right. Kill Vince Foster and Ron Brown.


60 posted on 08/24/2006 10:41:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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