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Engine explosion blamed for F-16 crash near Luke AFB
F-16.net ^ | August 21, 2006 | Lieven Dewitte

Posted on 08/21/2006 8:40:58 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

August 21, 2006 (by Lieven Dewitte) - An engine explosion is blamed for the crash last April of an Air Force F-16C in a cornfield near Luke AFB, Arizona.

The results of an Air Force investigation into the April 11th crash were released today.

The pilot of the F-16C (#83-1164) had just left from Luke AFB for a two-ship student training mission to perform basic fighter maneuvers when the engine malfunctioned.

He was consequently instructed to return to Luke but when he realized he wouldn't be able to make it he decided to ejected. The plane crashed in a farm field about two miles southwest of the base but the pilot parachuted to safety.

The engine was a Pratt & Whitney F100 engine. Eyewitnesses on the ground saw flames at the rear end of the jet, shortly after take-off.


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Bummer, glad he got out.
1 posted on 08/21/2006 8:40:59 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Luke AFB A/C use P&W engines exclusively. Many problems in 1999.


2 posted on 08/21/2006 8:46:25 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The F-16's engines are prone to developing cracks after a certain number of hours of use. The problem is that its not possible to see these cracks without an x-ray because they are minute and on the inside of the engine. Then, one day the cracks cause pieces to break off and the engine turbine basically disintegrates in mid-flight.

Its an original design defect in the engines and its what you often get because of the government "lowest bidder" contract awards process.

The Air Force has known about this problem for a couple of decades, and basically while they try to overhaul the engines on a schedule to prevent this, they have decided that the occasional loss of an aircraft due to this situation is cheaper that buying new engines for all of them.

Thank God that the pilots almost always manage to get out.

So...if you ever wondered why F-16s lose their engines and crash so often...now you know THE REST OF THE STORY...


3 posted on 08/21/2006 8:48:04 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy in 2008?...Its starting to look like that might be the best option...)
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To: Al Simmons
If you've tried to fly an MD80 lately and were delayed for maintenance, it's a similar story.

Airline puts in Low bidder crap parts, 300 hours later the blades come off the turbine wheel.

4 posted on 08/21/2006 9:11:25 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Al Simmons
Then, one day the cracks cause pieces to break off and the engine turbine basically disintegrates in mid-flight.

In the F-14A, which used the P&W TF-30, they called that "turbine blade liberation." Unfortunately, when those blades "sought freedom" at least a few would chose a path to the other engine, or through some control rods, or other important part of the airplane.

5 posted on 08/21/2006 9:12:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I think my snow blower has a Pratt & Whitney F100.
I hope this isn't going to result in a recall
6 posted on 08/21/2006 9:39:25 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: UNGN
I've been on one MD80 flight and I'll NEVER fly on one again. I'll walk first. That was one nightmare flight I never want to live through again, and that's said by someone who loves to fly.

The flight was crowded and we had no choice but to take the only seats left way in the rear. The fumes were over powering and even though there was no turbulence at all the noise from the rattling was deafening and you could see the seams in the cabin interior parting with the shaking.

One of the first things I ask when booking a flight now is 'what kind of plane is it?' If an MD80 is mentioned .....forget it!
7 posted on 08/21/2006 9:52:24 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (Spreading the truth - Doing the job the MSM won't do!)
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To: Al Simmons
The F-16's engines are prone to developing cracks after a certain number of hours of use.

You are trying to sound smart. For some, you might.

Care to tell us what other USAF inventory uses those same "... F-16's engines..." ?

ALL engines develop cracks (blades), sooner or later.

they have decided that the occasional loss of an aircraft due to this situation is cheaper that buying new engines for all of them.

There is something cracked all right. But it ain't flying.

8 posted on 08/21/2006 10:02:26 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Al Simmons
And F-111s used to prang regularly from engine failure, in flight fire or explosion (saw one o up while landing at Nellis, just at sundown - watta show)

F4s used to explode pretty often due to problems with center line fuel cells, etc, etc.
9 posted on 08/22/2006 12:16:55 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: LasVegasMac
Hey Dude - no need to get cranky. I didn't claim to be an engineer.

However, having worked with a couple of AF legal-types whose job it was to deal with procurement of these engines (about 10 years ago), that is what I recall they told me about the problem with the F-16 engines.

If that just doesn't pass muster with you, then, as Steve Martin said:

"Well, EXCUUUUUSE MEEEEEEEEEE!"

10 posted on 08/22/2006 9:37:36 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy in 2008?...Its starting to look like that might be the best option...)
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To: Al Simmons
I should have added "whose job it was to deal with the procurement AND REPAIR of these engines (it was at an AFMC base)".

Soooo...I think I'll take their word about the problem with these engines vis-a-vis the military procurement process over yours....

11 posted on 08/22/2006 9:40:43 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy in 2008?...Its starting to look like that might be the best option...)
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To: Al Simmons
...Its an original design defect in the engines and its what you often get because of the government "lowest bidder" contract awards process...

Or maybe it's because the design and manufacture of a high-performance jet engine is a complex task, and not all "flaws" are foreseeable.

As for your sources, lawyers and bureaucrats have their uses, but understanding the metallugy of fracture fatigue/failure ain't one of them.

12 posted on 08/22/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by Ranxerox
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To: Ranxerox
"Or maybe it's because the design and manufacture of a high-performance jet engine is a complex task, and not all "flaws" are foreseeable."

Sounds like CYA to me. You know, you spend a 100 billion for engines for 500 aircraft, then the birds start crashing unexpectedly and early, and the manufacturer says....

13 posted on 08/22/2006 10:35:49 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy in 2008...because National Security should not be left to children...)
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To: USNBandit

I heard that a lot of criticism about the Tomcat being underpowered was because of the TF-30, which was only supposed to be on the aircraft during initial testing, but wound up being on the production aircraft for most of the Tomcat's life. Bad deal, and not just because if gave the USAF a lot of ammo to make fun of the Navy and the Tomcat while drinking at the bar.


14 posted on 08/22/2006 10:58:17 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Not only was the F-14A underpowered, but it was underpowered with one of the most unreliable engines ever put in a tactical aircraft. It wasn't just the F-14A that suffered the TF-30, but also the F-111 and the A-7.

The Navy has an incredibly stupid tradition of not bringing in weapons systems to spec. and then leaving them in that configuration to "save money" which ends up costing us money in the long run.

Take the F-14. Supposed to have the GE-110 engine, but we fielded it with the TF-30 giving it a thrust to weight around .67. That measures up with the aircraft like the F-5 and Mig-21. The program to reengine the F-14 gets cut to half the aircraft so only half the F-14s ever fly with the GE motor which makes it a rocket ship. Next is the radar. The large majority of F-14s were equipped with the AWG-9 radar which was designed in the sixties. While it was great back then it was a piece of junk in the nineties. In the same time that the Navy was dragging an analog 128K computer around the Air Force had fielded its third radar for the F-15.

Retiring the Tomcat next month will be about 15 years too late. The Navy took a great platform and turned it into a piece of flying FOD, killing a fair number of aircrew in the process. I flew them so I earned the right to say that.

Despite some reservations about single engine airplanes, I think the JSF will be a better deal for the Navy. Since the Air Force will be the main buyer, and commonality will be mandated, maybe the Navy won't be able to nickel and dime itself into another piece of crap.

15 posted on 08/22/2006 11:16:27 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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