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Can Giuliani Win the Southern GOP? - They love him in South Carolina, but…
National Review Online ^ | August 18, 2006 | Byron York

Posted on 08/21/2006 11:04:35 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: 4CJ
He's PRO-CHOICE (very strongly supports abortion), pro-GAY rights, supports partial birth abortion, is anti-2nd amendment, and wants the US to receive permission from the UN before conducting military operations.

You don't know the half of it. But I'd be interested in your source for his views on the UN.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

Read more about Giuliani's liberal positions here and here.

Some people want Republicans to ignore his liberalism on almost every issue and, as a distraction, they try to pretend that Rudy is fiscally conservative. Again, his record shows that he isn't fiscally conservative either:

According to an article in The Nation from 2002:

It's now apparent that Giuliani purchased the city's good times partially with borrowed money and left his successor, Mike Bloomberg, holding a bag of debt. New York City went from a $3 billion budget surplus in 1998 to a $4.5 billion deficit after Giuliani left office. This mismanagement of prosperity is a big part of his legacy. Giuliani left the city's finances in a mess...

Here are some things Giuliani did as Mayor that were NOT anywhere near being fiscally conservative:

According to the article from The Nation:

During the 1960s Giuliani was a self-described "Robert Kennedy Democrat." He identified with RFK as a liberal Catholic prosecutor. He volunteered for RFK's 1968 presidential campaign while he was a student at NYU Law School. Giuliani also voted for George McGovern in 1972. During the liberal 1960s, he was a liberal.

But in 1975 Giuliani switched his party registration from Democrat to Independent when he got a job in Gerald Ford's Justice Department, according to his mentor Harold "Ace" Tyler.

On December 8, 1980, Giuliani changed his registration from Independent to Republican. This was one month after Ronald Reagan's election, and just as he was applying for a top job in the Justice Department.

So, to sum that up:

He's a liberal. He's not even in the same building as conservative. He's only a Republican because...and this comes from his own mother, Helen Giuliani:

"He only became a Republican after he began to get all these jobs from them. He's definitely not a conservative Republican. He thinks he is, but he isn't..."

And as John Hawkins put it in an excellent article in Human Events:

Despite all of his charisma and the wonderful leadership he showed after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani is not a Reagan Republican. To the contrary, Giuliani is another Christie Todd Whitman, another Arlen Specter, another Olympia Snowe. He's a throwback to the "bad old days" before Reagan, when the GOP was run by moderate Country Club Republicans who considered conservatives to be extremists. Trying to revive that failed strategy again is likely to lead to a Democratic President in 2008 and numerous setbacks for the Republican Party.

121 posted on 08/30/2006 11:14:08 PM PDT by Spiff (Death before Dhimmitude)
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To: Spiff

and your Republican choice would be ?


122 posted on 08/30/2006 11:51:16 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Ancesthntr

"Rudy will fall apart in the South on abortion and gun control."

Maybe on immigration too. Three strikes you are out.


123 posted on 08/30/2006 11:59:20 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: neverdem

I wish Cheney could run...


124 posted on 08/31/2006 12:02:34 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (Would you like to join the OFFICIAL Oakland Raiders ping list? Sure you would, send me freepmail.)
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To: Howlin

Thanks, doing my best to keep the GOP a party that people from all walks can be part of. It's not easy but it's worth it. Otherwise we will become what we despise.


125 posted on 08/31/2006 4:47:31 AM PDT by defconw (Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it? (Official Snowflake))
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To: sonic109

You're absolutely right! Terrorism is the #1 issue, and the others fall behind that. For terrorism is much more of an immediate problem that should have worldwide concern. But it just seems like there are only a handful of politicians who have a clue as to what this really means. The rest are happily wallowing in the selfish arena...

The Nukeman of Iran totally believes that he is the prophet who has been sent to usher in the 4th Reich. Others on these threads have pretty much said, "Naah, you're just whistlin' dixie." I don't care how real or unreal it all is, the fact of the matter is that the yo-yo in Iran believes it. And I'm thinking he can make many others believe it too.

And actually, we are probably already in the end times. For there are wars and rumors of wars, but nobody needs to fret about the lunatics. Everybody just needs to do their job and put the skids on the creeps. We do whatever we can, and God does the rest...


126 posted on 08/31/2006 8:34:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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I think Jeb Bush and Norm Coleman would be a strong ticket. I know the whole dynasty arguments, but Jeb is really nothing like W. He is a likable and soft spoken character. He has a way of appearing to rise above politics.

Norm brings to the table a state that is in a political transition. Minnesota is becoming more conservative all the time. Norm will give us a boost in that area of the country.

The main thing is that we go with a proven conservative. You know the left is going to pick a nut for their nominee. Going with a moderate is a bad idea, especially when it is not necessary to do so. McCain and Rudy are therefore not good options.

The commonly named senators have problems in their home states (for the most part). I say let the left try to win with a senator while we get a governor. Executive experience and no legislative record to pick through is a major advantage.

It is a no brainer to me really.

127 posted on 08/31/2006 11:14:16 AM PDT by Clump
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To: Clump

I will not under any circumstances vote for Jeb Bush. His father was a weak kneed RINO. Despite some great talking points his brother has been a weak kneed elitist RINO who has failed us on very important issues like the border and the budget. I'm not going to be fooled a third time.


128 posted on 08/31/2006 5:01:11 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker
Yea, I guess Roberts and Alito are a huge disappointment to you. What RINOS!!
129 posted on 09/01/2006 2:02:06 PM PDT by Clump
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