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Islamic academic: 'dying for your beliefs is just' (Things are not looking good for England)
London Daily Mail ^ | 8/21/06 | Ben Taylor

Posted on 08/21/2006 9:40:23 AM PDT by redstates4ever

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dying for your beliefs is just

Yeah, if YOU are attacked for your beliefs, not if YOU do the attacking.

21 posted on 08/21/2006 11:12:54 AM PDT by jackibutterfly (.)
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To: redstates4ever

England should arrest this guy and deport him back to the hellhole he came from..and they should do it on TV...frog march him and make an example. This is just ridiculous.


23 posted on 08/21/2006 11:30:38 AM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: redstates4ever

Can you spell S-E-D-I-T-I-O-N?


24 posted on 08/21/2006 11:33:11 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup ("Is it real? Or is it Reuters?")
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To: The_Reader_David

I'm not speaking about their (muslim radical) interpretations of the phrase. I'm talking about the importance and relevance we should ascribe to these acts of murder.

The fact that they're killing themselves is a tactical reality. For certain targets, they can get in places with bombs strapped to themselves easier than bombing in other ways.

As for the Koran rejecting suicide, it seems vast numbers of Muslims have a different interpretation. Or they themselves don't consider these acts as "suicide", but dying heroically in jihad.


25 posted on 08/21/2006 1:20:32 PM PDT by olderwiser
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Yes, they do, but that interpretation only arose when Western ideas equally poisonous to those Mohammed provided the world were added to Islam by 20th century commentators (notably Sayyed Qutb) who had imbibed a fair dose of existentialism.

For now, any way to drive wedges into the 'ummah', to separate those Mohammedans who don't want to wage jihad from the minority who are enthusiastic about it, is useful, be it the 'religion of peace' rhetoric, or stressing the pecuiliarity of the bombers' tactic, their self-destruction.

"Homocide bomber" is redundant and serves no useful rhetorical purpose:
as I noted, bombers in general are intent on homocide, only those who have embraced the existentialist notion of self-destruction as proof of absolute commitment use their own person as a guidance-system for their bombs.

Reminding the world that these are not 'sheehads', but suicides, is a more useful tactic than the redundancy of announcing a 'homocide bomber killed 7 today' (when 'a suicide bomber killed 7 today' also communicates that homocide was committed.)


26 posted on 08/21/2006 3:55:29 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Uh, no. Homicide bomber is not redundant. Some bombers succeed (thankfully) in killing only themselves. They are bombers. But they've only killed themselves. A "bomber" may kill no one, or others, or themselves. So: homicide bomber is not redundant.

Now. I say let's concentrate on the "others" the bomber kills, not whether they kill themselves.

And your point about splitting off "reasonable" muslims by use of the term "suicide bomber"? Keep dreaming While moderate muslims dance in the streets over 9-11. While hot-selling beheading videos make the rounds. While British Imams like the ones in the article advocate these despicable acts as a noble "martydom".

No. They're gonna stop any minute, as soon as they realize they're--Koran fobid--SUICIDE bombers.

WELL WHO GIVES A DAMN WHETHER THEY DIE! They're killing OTHERS. And that, my friend, is the sticking point with me.


27 posted on 08/21/2006 4:51:27 PM PDT by olderwiser
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"Maybe they can take shelter in their empty churches."

Yep, you got it, plain and simple. Listening Brits? What you turned your back on will come back to bite your a%&.


28 posted on 08/21/2006 4:54:47 PM PDT by alarm rider (Those that vote for RINOS knowingly, have already admitted defeat.)
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To: redstates4ever

Of course he thinks this, he is a Muslim. When will we stop pretending they don't all think this way?


29 posted on 08/21/2006 4:56:47 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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Whatta goober. DYING for your beliefs would make one a martyr, and is perfectly acceptable. KILLING others wile in the process of making oneself a martyr is NOT.

Mohammed took a lot of teachings of various faiths of the time and glommed them onto his own peculiar worldview and hubris. He seems to have taken the WORST of all of them, put his own particular twisted spin on them, then his followers used the barbarian hordes to spread them far and wide at the point of a sword.

30 posted on 08/21/2006 5:35:27 PM PDT by SuziQ
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