Posted on 08/21/2006 6:16:02 AM PDT by areafiftyone
Of course there was no anti-war movement in 2001. There was NO WAR to oppose.
Your silly attempt to concoct one is only that.
No he would NOT be as bad. That is absurd but I don't expect any better given your audience.
We are not discussing socialist movements although you are bound and determined to drag them in even when irrelevant.
I like this one:
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. —
Thomas Jefferson
It's a little early yet. Don't think something like this won't be tried, though.
Some of those "hard core Pro life" here were slamming the President for not being sufficiently pro-life for them. Those are about the only ones who will not vote for ANY Republican if the opponent is Hillary.
The FR poll is a joke. Who in their right mind does not know that FReepers are the extreme right in NO way representative of the rest of the GOP or electorate. Most FReepers did not even vote.
Tancredo would not get a double digit percentage in any real contest.
Think of all the Imaginary People who haven't been born. That could be in the 100s of millions.
Anti-abortion is not the prime issue and never will be. Even Hitler was anti-abortion would the social conservatives vote for him rather than Guiliani.
It was Clinton's lies in court which raised the outrage not the acts themselves.
That is not the point and you know it.
Dear qlangley,
There is also history.
Over the last few decades, the social conservative movement has been a critical part of the Republican coalition that has permitted the Republican Party to win seven of the last ten presidential elections.
I might note, as well, that the three times that the Democrats won, they won with candidates who at least initially presented themselves as social issue moderates.
In looking at who comprises this Republican majority, where the actual votes come from, social conservatives have been necessary to elect Republican presidential candidates.
Nominating a Republican candidate who is diametrically opposed to the entire social conservative agenda doesn't appear to be a historically reliable way to win the presidency.
sitetest
>>>>Of course there was no anti-war movement in 2001. There was NO WAR to oppose.
STONEWALL Veterans' Association is made up of the same group that created and supported the Vietnam Veteran's Against the War Movement. This is an SDS/Weatherman's group.
See David Mixner of the Vietname War Moratorium and Clinton who worked with him.
http://whois.domaintools.com/vvaw.org
vvaw.org went ACTIVE again on June 2001.
Copy:
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They then spun off the Americans agains the Iraq War movement.
>>>>We are not discussing socialist movements although you are bound and determined to drag them in even when irrelevant.
We sure are.
Maybe not in your world, but in my world we were all disgusted and outraged that a President did the immoral and adulterous acts of which he is accused. It's wasn't just the lie, it was the acts.
Just to the social conservatives understand where I'm coming from, I am a church-going woman who votes for Conservative and Right to Life candidates whenever possible.
But Giuliani was special. We were told for 20 years that New York is ungovernable, but he managed to govern it. He cleaned up the streets and brought tourism and business back to the city. He doesn't take crap from anyone, Republican or Democrat. I admire him greatly.
He is, in fact, so liberal that Democrats called him a fascist.
I don't think Rudy will really play in the deep south.
You already tried that silly line of reasoning. It is invalid. There was no war to oppose in 2001. Leftist groups morphing into an anti-war group do not change that FACT.
Concocting an anti-war group when there was no war to oppose shows the desperation of the Rudiphobes.
Clinton would not have been impeached without the lies in Court. Most of us here were already disgusted and outraged with Slimy long before Monica surfaced.
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