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Airline Passengers Explain Pair's Removal
BBC News ^ | 8/20/06 | BBC News

Posted on 08/20/2006 2:10:04 PM PDT by World_Events

Passengers on a Manchester-bound flight have described how two men were removed from the plane because other travellers thought they were speaking Arabic. Heath Schofield, a passenger on the flight from Malaga, described it as being a "bit like Chinese whispers".

Monarch Airlines said passengers had demanded the men were removed because they were acting suspiciously.

Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said it was disgraceful the pair seemed to have been judged on their skin colour.

The men - reported to be of Asian or Middle Eastern appearance - were taken from Wednesday's flight ZB 613 and questioned but were allowed to fly back to the UK later in the week.

Refusal to board

Mr Schofield, who was travelling with his wife Jo and their children, said: "We all started boarding the flight.

Heath and Jo Schofield were on the Manchester flight

"Our daughter noticed a couple of guys that were perhaps acting a bit strange. They went to the front of the queue, went to the back of the queue, and then they went and sat down by themselves.

"Anyway, we got on the plane and we boarded and it became apparent after we were already supposed to be flying that several of the passengers had refused to board the craft.

"A few rumours went round, it was a little bit like Chinese whispers, and then some more people decided they were getting off."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; behavioralprofiling; manchester; mutiny; passengerrevolt; prejudice; wot
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To: gridlock

I don't see where the passengers were innappropriately dresesd or where it states that they were muslims. In fact, the only thing that I see is that they might have been middle eastern or asian, and someone thought they were speaking Arabic. This is the problem with letting passengers decide who can get on a flight.

My husband Has been accused of being arabic and a muslim many times. He is PuertoRican and Catholic. If someone doesn't want to fly with him, they are free to get off the plane. They should not have the right to have him removed from the plane. I think the airlines acted innappropriately.


21 posted on 08/20/2006 2:28:50 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: World_Events
the pair seemed to have been judged on their skin colour.

Nobody gives a crap about "skin colour" any more. That is like, so mid-20th-Century.

22 posted on 08/20/2006 2:29:24 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119:97-176)
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To: thoughtomator
Unpleasant enough to fly with Islamofascists, but what of those who in our dark times keep frightening beards, and yammer away in Arabic? On a plane?

It would take them under one minute to shave their bears. To act live civilized human beings should require no extra burden on their part.

Given our recent history, people everywhere should give extra attention to people who harbor an unusual attraction to goats, or clad their women in army surplus tents.

23 posted on 08/20/2006 2:30:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: World_Events

If we had more moderate Arabs prominently denouncing terrorism and helping the authorities to bust islamofascists, Flight Vetos would have never begun.


24 posted on 08/20/2006 2:32:43 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ga medic

There was an article yesterday that said these guys were wearing heavy leather jackets that the passengers felt was inappropriate for the season.


25 posted on 08/20/2006 2:32:47 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: gaijin
It's OK for everyone to be inconvienienced! Except the actual ones causing allah the death and destruction. That is bigoted racism.

I may be an intolerant bigot, but I'm not gonna be a sacrifice to satanallah!

26 posted on 08/20/2006 2:32:49 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: ga medic
I don't see where the passengers were innappropriately dresesd or where it states that they were muslims

More information: Mutiny on Flight 613

This is what people are supposed to do. I am sorry if your husband is harrassed, but these are the times we live in. If I were him, I would take care to dress appropriately and not act in such a way that would arouse suspicion.

27 posted on 08/20/2006 2:33:44 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: World_Events
At the end of the article the BBC asks:

Were you on the flight, or do you know anyone who was? Or have you felt picked on because of your ethnicity or appearance? You can contact us using the form below:

More worried about hurt feelings than 200 lives lost in a mid air hijacking.
28 posted on 08/20/2006 2:35:37 PM PDT by Dallas59 (I HAVE A TRACFONE!!!)
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To: ga medic
I don't see where the passengers were innappropriately dresesd or where it states that they were muslims. In fact, the only thing that I see is that they might have been middle eastern or asian, and someone thought they were speaking Arabic.

No, you wouldn't find that in a piece on the BBC site. Here is the original article from the Daily Mail:

Mutiny as passengers refuse to fly

29 posted on 08/20/2006 2:35:51 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: gaijin

Another thing that I find interesting is that there still is no mention that they were not Muslims. This story could have been turned upside down by reporting "paranoid passengers refused two fly with two men that were later determined to be American Baptist missionaries"


30 posted on 08/20/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Unfortunately, the forces of PC will shut them up and tell them that they are racist.

I think most people would rather be alive and thought to be racist, then dead and congratulated for being sooooo PC. I know I would. I don't give a flying you-know-what what others think of me; I'd rather be alive.

31 posted on 08/20/2006 2:40:30 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: World_Events
Bravo for these passengers.

This is interesting, "..."A few rumours went round, it was a little bit like Chinese whispers..."

I've heard of a Chinese fire drill but never Chinese whispers. What does that mean? Is it intentionally whispering loudly so others can hear?
32 posted on 08/20/2006 2:41:35 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: World_Events

The message is clear: If you see Muslims acting strangely at the airport, you are a rotten, rotten person for even *thinking* something could be amiss. Shame on you. Instead of reporting your suspicions, you should sit down and shut up like a good little sheep.


33 posted on 08/20/2006 2:42:49 PM PDT by KJC1 ("Thank you for the Hezbollah view." (Tony Snow to Helen Thomas))
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To: ga medic
I don't see where the passengers were innappropriately dresesd or where it states that they were muslims.

An earlier article stated the men were dressed in heavy clothes and leather jackets...which was odd because weather was very warm.

It is possible, perhaps even likely, the two men were simply wearing their heavy clothes because they wouldn't fit in their suitcases. However, given recent circumstances, I cannot blame the other passengers for acting to protect their own safety, no matter how un-PC that might be.
34 posted on 08/20/2006 2:43:28 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: A knight without armor

They said it sounded like "Chinese whispers", because it makes a healthy fear sound like uneducated delusions.


35 posted on 08/20/2006 2:43:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: CindyDawg
Another thing that I find interesting is that there still is no mention that they were not Muslims. This story could have been turned upside down by reporting "paranoid passengers refused two fly with two men that were later determined to be American Baptist missionaries"

Very insightful. You're absolutely right. If these two had turned out to be something other than Muslims, the BBC would not be able to resist making that the focus of the story. The "Rubes mistake Hindus for Muslims" story practically writes itself. The only possible explaination for this not being the story is that the men were, in fact, Muslims.

36 posted on 08/20/2006 2:51:36 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: World_Events
Birmingham MP Khalid Mahmood said it was disgraceful the pair seemed to have been judged on their skin colour.

Ever since 9/11, we've been hectored by security officials to be on the alert and vigilent about potential threats. Now when a group of people does exactly that, some fathead tries to guilt-trip them for it. Screw you and your PC-speak, Mister MP Mahmood, we're taking responsibility for our own safety these days. If that sometimes leads to innocent parties being inconvenienced, that's the breaks of being involved in a war.

37 posted on 08/20/2006 2:53:01 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: A knight without armor
I've heard of a Chinese fire drill but never Chinese whispers. What does that mean? Is it intentionally whispering loudly so others can hear?

I think it is the British variant of the game we would call "telephone", where one person whispers to another around a circle and you see how the message was distorted by the time it gets to the last person.

38 posted on 08/20/2006 2:53:23 PM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock

He is a firefighter and only wears one thing, ever. Jeans and an EMS t shirt. He speaks Spanish, English or Portuguese. It is generally the Portugeuse that people mistake for arabic. He hasn't been removed from a flight, but he has been asked to leave stores and once he was asked not to return to a dry cleaners. He has also had many patients ask for another medic because they thought he was a Muslim. Unfortunate, but not a big deal. Removing him from a plane would be a big deal. It is sad, even more because he worked on the WTC recovery for 6 weeks, without pay, and he is as American as he could be.


39 posted on 08/20/2006 2:54:03 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: A knight without armor
"Chinese Whispers" is, IIRC, the British equivalent of the American party game of "Gossip" or "Telephone". You sit in a circle and a phrase is whispered from person to person around the circle. It usually is nothing like what you started with by the time it gets to the end.

The passenger is saying that rumors were going around the boarding area but he believed they had been somewhat altered by the time they got to him.

40 posted on 08/20/2006 2:56:17 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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