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BBC Feminist's Sordid Suicide Pact Made Public
LifeSite ^ | 9/15/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 08/18/2006 2:44:39 PM PDT by madprof98

LONDON, August 15, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – This week, a popular BBC radio announcer told the public that she had entered into a “suicide pact” with friends should she be incapacitated by illness.

Jenni Murray, the presenter of BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour, a feminist and euthanasia advocate, said that she does not want to be “trapped” into caring for her mother who is ill with Parkinson’s disease.

Murray, a member of the Order of the British Empire and a patron of the Family Planning Association, is airing her views tonight on a BBC television program called “Don’t Get Me Started.” Publicity material for the show says that Murray “plans to end her own life when she becomes a burden to those around her.” She discusses methods, including smothering with a pillow or injecting with drugs, with two friends,

The network said: "Jenni is angry that, having fought so hard to become liberated and independent, women are now being trapped into caring for dependent parents."

Murray complains that the law against assisted suicide is supported by a “religious minority” who hold to an outdated moral view that human life is inherently valuable and that children have a legitimate obligation to care for elderly parents.

The program highlights the growth, especially in Britain, of the idea of an “obligation to die.” Most leading thinkers in the bioethics field endorse euthanasia and assisted suicide and often argue that elderly and ill patients have the obligation to end their lives to relieve pressure on families and the health care system.

In 2004, Baroness Mary Warnock, Britain’s leader in bioethics, said unequivocally that the ill and elderly had an obligation to die as soon as possible so as not to burden relatives and the medical system. Baroness Warnock, called Britain's “Philosopher Queen”, said in an interview, “In other contexts sacrificing oneself for one's family would be considered good. I don't see what is so horrible about the motive of not wanting to be an increasing nuisance.”

She said, “I am not ashamed to say some lives are more worth living than others.”

UK's "Philosopher Queen," Warnock Says Elderly and Ill have Obligation to Suicide http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/dec/04121406.html


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bioethics; cantwait4inheritance; cultureofdeath; culturewar; dutytodie; eugenics; euthanasia; euthanazia; euthenasia; memememememememememe; murder; nazism; qualityoflife; selfishness; socializedmedicine; solongyouregone; suicide
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To: madprof98

"Trapped into caring for dependent parents." Oh, boy! Is this what we've come to? Or is this (hopefully) just one of those sick, sad, selfish swine, ready at the first inconvenience, to send the parents off, as long as their last will and testament is final and in their favor?


61 posted on 08/18/2006 4:23:18 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: madprof98

Trapped?!!!?

Everything one does in life is a choice! She's not being trapped!

Taking care of the dying is an honor. Even though a non-religious, I realized that it is a sacrament.

The only negative feelings I have had is the sorrow & frustration toward myself that I was not able to relieve distress, pain, discomfort better.

If she wishes to kill herself, well that IS her choice--although I might disagree with that choice.

However, to kill someone else who is no longer active enough to physically contribute to society is stupid. There is much that one contributes to ones family/friends verbally, emotionally, mentally. And if one is no longer capable of that, just ones presence is a contribution to understanding.

Good gravy! Isn't that what we're supposed to do? Work hard while we can, so that in our declining years we have the leisure to enjoy the fruits of our labor? If not monetarily, then thru the reciprocal care of our family?

And people who think like this woman does are supposed to be those who FEEL? I don't think so.


62 posted on 08/18/2006 4:25:36 PM PDT by TxGrandMom
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To: madprof98
Nothing more then the endgame of narcissists and the culture of death. To the narcissists the choice of life is old fashioned. Never do they see the inherent contradictions in their choices. The culture of death is also very old fashioned. The choice between life and death is what every generation needs to ask over and over again and with wisdom chooses life. A narcissist is unable to discern this choice. Life is already unbearable to them.
63 posted on 08/18/2006 4:28:16 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: thoughtomator

National socialism did not die with Hitler. To a large degree he embodied the spirit of his age--and ours.


64 posted on 08/18/2006 4:29:09 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: thoughtomator

maybe it is still called a Nazi, or Muslim...


65 posted on 08/18/2006 4:29:32 PM PDT by thinking
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To: madprof98

The cult of Self.


66 posted on 08/18/2006 4:32:08 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: madprof98

Jenni Murray....you need help, desperately. But of course,
I wouldn't want to be "trapped"" into helping you,
so please go where you are inevitably headed to, right now.
It's very easy to do, and there will be more oxygen for
others, less c02, and waste without you metabolizing
about....


67 posted on 08/18/2006 4:33:10 PM PDT by Getready (.)
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To: thoughtomator

Don't be offended if by the original intent of the term you mean something like "classical liberal." Today's libertarians are, as you said, closer to anarchists than anything the Founding Fathers had in mind, just as today's liberals are closer to Stalin than the Founding Fathers, who were liberal in the classical sense.

These terms are usually referring to the contemporary definitions, unless they have been stipulated.


68 posted on 08/18/2006 4:42:15 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I do mean 'classic liberal' by that term. The word 'liberal' has been forfeited to the socialists, but while the word 'libertarian' is still in dispute I will continue to argue for its proper meaning.


69 posted on 08/18/2006 4:44:37 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: mass55th

If her mother had shared her philosophy, the world wouldn't be burdened by this ingrate.


70 posted on 08/18/2006 4:50:31 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: stands2reason
You are FOS.

As I said, drunken ravings.

71 posted on 08/18/2006 4:59:44 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

Who is raving drunk again?


72 posted on 08/18/2006 6:09:42 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: weegee

That's not what the story is saying...she's saying SHOULD SHE, THE DAUGHTER, become incapacitated, she wants to die. SHE doesn't want to be a burden to anyone.


73 posted on 08/18/2006 6:12:32 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

YOU people are reading this story the way you want to read it, but you're wrong.


74 posted on 08/18/2006 6:14:01 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: aliquando

She's not saying she won't care for her mother...the suicide pact is for HER, so SHE won't be a burden on anybody.


75 posted on 08/18/2006 6:15:13 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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To: Hildy; weegee; aliquando; divine_moment_of_facts

I just knew it wouldn't be long before we would encounter an apologist for the viewpoint the article reflects. It's not just liberals. In fact, from following the threads on social issues here, I don't even think it's mostly liberals.


76 posted on 08/18/2006 6:54:27 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: thoughtomator
Post 74. Notice the irony of the poster's handle, and that it wasn't until the 3rd reply to that comment that anyone contradicted it.

Very good. Thank you for the linked comments. I'm still drilling through it all! I'm surprised I missed this thread back in May 2005.

77 posted on 08/18/2006 8:37:26 PM PDT by jdm (I gotta give the Helen Thomas obsession a rest.)
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To: madprof98

Are you that crazed that you can't even read something that you might not like? All I did was point out what the article REALLY said..I made NO social comment about it. NONE.


78 posted on 08/18/2006 9:27:37 PM PDT by Hildy (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.)
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79 posted on 08/19/2006 6:12:21 PM PDT by NYer
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To: madprof98
I'm speechless. I took care of my late father to the end of his life and I didn't consider it a burden - I viewed it as a blessing. Whatever happened to honoring one's parents. This is beyond - well if I have to say it I'll get permanently banned from my FR account. I'll just say that any child who puts their needs above their parents is well - an ungrateful wretch.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

80 posted on 08/19/2006 6:17:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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