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Bush defends surveillance program
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/18/06 | Deb Reichman - ap

Posted on 08/18/2006 1:48:59 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

CAMP DAVID, Md. - President Bush on Friday criticized a federal court ruling that said his warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional, declaring that opponents "do not understand the nature of the world in which we live."

"I strongly disagree with that decision, strongly disagree," Bush said, striking his finger on a podium to underscore his point. "That's why I instructed the Justice Department to appeal immediately, and I believe our appeals will be upheld."

U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit on Thursday was the first to find the National Security Agency surveillance program unconstitutional. The program involves monitoring international phone calls and e-mails to and from the United States involving people with suspected ties to terrorists.

"If al-Qaida is calling in to the United States, we want to know why they're calling," Bush said.

Critics say the surveillance program skirts the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires court warrants for domestic eavesdropping. The administration has argued that obtaining warrants from a secret court set up under FISA is a time-consuming process unsuited for the government's fast-moving war on terror.

The judge said the government, in defending the program, appeared to be saying the president had the "inherent power" to violate laws of Congress.

"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control," Taylor wrote in a 43-page opinion. "... There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."

On other issues, Bush said it would take the world time to view the war between Israel and Hezbollah as a loss for the Islamic militant group.

"The first reaction, of course, of Hezbollah and its supporters is, declare victory," Bush said. "I guess I would have done the same thing if I were them, but sometimes it takes people a while to come to the sober realization of what forces create stability and which don't. Hezbollah is a force of instability."

Bush also expressed some disappointment with France's contribution to an expanded peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

France had been expected to make a significant new contribution that would form the backbone of the expanded force. But French President Jacques Chirac disappointed the United Nations and other countries by announcing France would contribute just 200 combat engineers to its current 200-member contingent in Lebanon.

"France has said they will send some troops," the president said. "We hope they'll send more."

Members of Bush's economic team stood alongside the president as he spoke under bright sunshine at the Camp David helipad. Among attendees were Vice President Dick Cheney, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, National Economic Council Director Allan Hubbard and White House budget chief Rob Portman.

The meeting came at a time when only 37 percent of Americans support Bush's handling of the economy, according to AP-Ipsos polling in early August. It's also just weeks before congressional midterm elections that will determine whether Republicans continue to control the House and the Senate.

Bush declared the economy solid and strong because of tax cuts his administration pushed through Congress. He rattled off a series of economic indicators, including the nation's 4.8 percent jobless rate in July and 4 percent annual economic growth rate through the first half of the year.

But House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi took issue with Bush's upbeat comments on the economy, saying, "President Bush may think the economy is moving forward, but many hard working Americans are stuck living paycheck to paycheck.

"Under President Bush and the Republican Congress, the economic situation for too many Americans is going in the wrong direction," said the California Democrat. Since Bush took office, she said, "real median family income has dropped by $1,700 while families are paying $3,200 more in household costs."

Bush did not mention that the July unemployment rate had inched up from 4.6 percent in June, reflecting a slowdown in job creation that reflects weaker economic growth. And while the gross domestic product expanded at an annual rate of 5.6 percent in the first quarter, it slowed to just 2.5 percent in the April-June quarter.

On Friday, a University of Michigan survey showed consumer confidence fell sharply in early August to the lowest level in 10 months as Americans were rattled by new terrorism concerns and gasoline prices above $3 per gallon.

Bush did not mention the jump in gasoline prices, although he did discuss the need to invest in new energy technologies.

Paulson, speaking to reporters later, said the team spent much time talking about long-term challenges such as changing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in view of the pending retirement of 78 million baby boomers.

"We think it is quite possible to come up with a fix that is quite doable," Paulson said of reforming the government programs. "The question is whether we can get the support of Congress to get something done."

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AP Economics Writer Martin Crutsinger contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; annadiggstaylor; bush; counterterrorism; defends; nsa; program; spying; surveillance; wot
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To: Doe Eyes

"Probable cause" refers to a criminal action, not to surveillance done in war time.


81 posted on 08/18/2006 3:57:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Paperdoll

You're the only one here who has brought up an issue totally irrelevant to the thread. I haven't yet seen any comment by you on this thread that relates to the Administration's surveillance program. All I'm saying is, if you want to vent about illegal immigration, find an appropriate thread.


82 posted on 08/18/2006 3:59:48 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: sinkspur
"Probable cause" refers to a criminal action, not to surveillance done in war time.

So you are not a "Strict Constructionist".

83 posted on 08/18/2006 4:05:19 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: My2Cents; Alwayswatching
I just saw the full report on Special Report, and he definitely was not 'down.'

In fact, My2Cents, I just heard him speak a week or so ago, not 10 feet from me, and he assured all of us that he was doing well, and not to worry about him. He looked really strong.

BUT, he also said that he appreciates and can feel our prayers, so we need to keep that up.

Repeating...........he didn't seem 'down' at all in the multiple clips I saw. In fact, it was quite the opposite.

84 posted on 08/18/2006 4:06:37 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks for the report, Ohio, and I'm glad that the earlier report was erroneous. No mere mortal could put up with the pressures Pres. Bush is under. I've long been convinced that prayer is what carries him through. Prayer is the only thing that will carry this country through.


85 posted on 08/18/2006 4:08:50 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: My2Cents; Paperdoll
I think they have a contest going, My2Cents.

If they get a completely irrelevant immigration anti-Bush slam posted in the first 10 posts on ANY thread, they get a prize......

(A free dilly bar at Dairy Queen, maybe?? :)

86 posted on 08/18/2006 4:08:54 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan

LOL...That's probably it. Rather than a free Dilly Bar, I think a free beanie with a propeller on it would be more appropriate.


87 posted on 08/18/2006 4:10:19 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: My2Cents
Prayer is definitely what is carrying him through...........his own, and the prayers of millions of us who actually understand the burden he is bearing.

We really need to keep it up in earnest for the next 2 and a half years.

The enemy and the Enemy are at work in more ways than one here.....

88 posted on 08/18/2006 4:10:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: My2Cents

Okay. I suppose I should have said it more succinctly. I am for surveilence of telephone calls from the U.S. to countries, or groups that we are at war with when we are at war. But the president's claim that it is necessary when he choses to ignore those who illegally enter then receive the bounty of this country simply does not add up to me, indicating this may be an infringement of a freedom that has more long term consequences.


89 posted on 08/18/2006 4:12:15 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bush defends surveillance program.............


of course, he's the "decider"


90 posted on 08/18/2006 4:13:05 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: NormsRevenge
.. There are no hereditary Kings in America

Criminey. This "judge" might as well be posting over at Kos. Wonder if she's ever heard of the name...Kennedy? How about Rockefeller?

91 posted on 08/18/2006 4:13:32 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party, aka alQaeda, Western Division.)
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To: oceanview
... foreign intercepts ...

I support these whole-heartedly.

92 posted on 08/18/2006 4:13:37 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: prairiebreeze
Here's hoping we can keep Hitlary out of the WH or we could see a return to Cumalot..
93 posted on 08/18/2006 4:15:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: WhiteGuy

You think he should let others decide for him?


94 posted on 08/18/2006 4:17:11 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan

I don't know who "they" are, son. I have been a true blue Republican all my life, having devoted financial and a tremendous amount of time to support the party. But the world has become a very strange place in this century.
And I just may be too old to conform to it gracefully. It's obvious I am not welcome, so ta-ta.


95 posted on 08/18/2006 4:18:22 PM PDT by Paperdoll (........Washington Staters, Vote for McGavick!)
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To: prairiebreeze
Have you heard her leftist credentials, prairie??

Heard today (on Rush, I think) that her husband, a Dem politician was actually put in jail!

She's an honorable one, she is! And 'dealing a blow' to the administration..........if you believe the enemedia.

96 posted on 08/18/2006 4:19:16 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: GingisK

well then, you are onboard. show me that they are tapping calls (in a blanket, warrantless fashion) from NY to Florida, and not NY to Pakistan, and we'll talk.


97 posted on 08/18/2006 4:21:04 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Paperdoll
You're very welcome if you post something relevant.

And you're a far better judge as to who 'they' are than those of us who try to keep our posts on topic instead of knee jerk anti-Bush comments that just happen to come at the top of the thread....

Incidentally, that's the first time anyone has ever called me 'son.' Probably because I'm a woman who's been old enough to be a grandmother for, oh, say, 20 years?? LOL! :)

98 posted on 08/18/2006 4:22:53 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Doe Eyes
So you are not a "Strict Constructionist".

I don't believe the Founding Fathers had any intention of applying this amendment to enemies in wartime.

Lincoln surveilled Southerners without warrants and FDR monitored communications into and out of the US by Germans and Japanese during WWII without warrants.

Why would you give foreign terrorists the benefit of the Constitution? Or, for that matter, US citizens who cooperate with terrorists the benefit of the Constitution?

99 posted on 08/18/2006 4:26:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
I noticed you quit quoting the Constitution.
100 posted on 08/18/2006 4:34:12 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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