Posted on 08/17/2006 11:25:56 PM PDT by neverdem
Uh...CA is short for cancer, just like MI is short for myocardial infarction, CVA is short for cereberal vascular accident, GSW short for gun shot wound...
Thanks. Spent 30 years in Level 1 trauma hospitals in the bowels of Detroit. Diagnostic radiology-CT scan. Here's one for you....PVA
Pedestrian Vehicular Accident
Correct.
Here's one of your, "Pufflist buddies".
How about that? "It is thought to be". Quite the statement, huh?
I think that "it is thought" is a statement that they don't know.
Don't go rewriting the article.
It is thought
Ouch! An all to common occurance in that sad locale, I fear.
okay, make up all the source data you want and draw any conclusions you want.
if you want to argue that tobacco is not the main cause of lung cancer or that it not seriously harmful, waste someone else's time. I have spent too much time in cancer clinics to even consider that position. I met dozens of lung cancer patients but never one who didn't smoke. There are some but I never met one.
DID YOU READ MY POST????
I never said tobacco wasn't harmful. I DID say cancer was around before any Europeans ever used tobacco. It will still be around when tobacco is considered a vile ancient custom, especially with the mindwset that eliminating tobacco will eliminate cancer.
My great grandfather died of lung cancer. Never smoked, wasn't around it. He was a carpenter.
Get off the jihad and concentrate on the disease.
I think I will quit wasting MY time.
There's all the evidence you need in the posted article to understand that even if you had a magic wand you could wave and make all the tobacco just go away, you still wouldn't save all of that 30% from contracting cancer anyway. Some, yes. How many? Unknown, possible quite significant. All of them? Not likely. It ain't rocket surgery.
Makes you wonder what kind of progress would had been made had not so much money been wasted on a 99% immoral-lifestyle-induced illness that primarily affected less than 2% of the population.
My mother (a smoker), died of lung cancer, as did her brother, her father, her grandfather, et al all the way back to whichever progenitor it was who flipped the magic gene creating the "family curse."
It's the type of lung cancer unrelated to smoking. My forebears succumbed to it -- whether they smoked or not.
The BS-Level in the modern medical industry (no, I will not call it a "profession") is off the charts. I once spent about a week in two hospitals (checking myself out "AMA" from the first, when the POS MD who nearly killed me REFUSED to "allow" me a second opinion! His exact words to the best of my recollection were, "No, I'm not going to allow that at this time." Whoa! When "best interests of the patient" crosses with "CYA", guess which prevailing wind fills the mainsail?)
I ended up having to have my lawyer dictate a script to me, to write on the "AMA" forms to self-release me from their clutches, to ensure that they wouldn't be able to KEEP me against my will. Incredible!
During this nightmare, I was bleeding internally, in my colon (aftermath of botched precancerous polyp removal, "numerous" polyps (they gave up counting them, and used "the 'n' word").
Rather than go back in and stop the bleeding (IMO due entirely to "liability" motivations), I was leaned on like you would not believe -- to coerce me to accept "public" blood transfusions.
I refused, for the obvious reasons, i.e., apart from the "accidents", like swapped labels, improperly sterilized machinery, etc., there's the never-ending discovery (after the damage is done) of exciting new diseases, and, the brass ring, HIV: It resides in the blood for a LONG time before it shows up on tests, thus rendering any screening absurd.
And I know for a fact that there are people who will "engage in risky behavior", and then, too ashamed to ask for an HIV test, use the Red Cross as a "blood test". One person told me he knew he was clean, because right after he copulated with a certain woman, he went and donated blood -- and, he never heard anything back from the Red Cross -- therefore, he "knows he's clean".
This person, the last time I saw him, was still about six foot three, but, he was down to about 125 lbs. No, that is neither a typo nor hyperbole. It's his actual weight. So you tell me.
Anyway, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the risks involved with accepting "anyonymous" public blood. And, the meditradesmen realise it too, of course.
I tried to compromise -- I said I'd accept blood from friends or relatives -- people I knew and trusted. Nope. It was prohibited. I was ONLY "allowed" to accept anonymous blood. These POS's (and I use the term charitably) are very invested with NOT allowing ANYTHING that even might confirm doubt or fear regarding public/anonymous blood.
Finally, after several days of being badgered (I'd even told them I was a JW, which SHOULD have made them STFU period from that point forth -- but it didn't!), I stopped playing nice.
I said, OK, you are certain that this anonymous blood is perfectly safe for me to have piped into my veins?
Oh, YES, I was told. Absolutely safe! (They wre getting excited at the prospect of having finally beaten me down! They were very scared that I'd die on 'em, and thus leave them with an UGLY liability problem. I was told I had about a half hour to live unless I said OK and took the blood.)
I said, OK, then I have only one more question. What would YOU do, if, while administering the transfusion, one of the hoses leaked, and a drop or two of that "perfectly safe" blood landed on your arm?
I caught them off guard. I got the automatic/preprogrammed "bodily fluids contact" answer. I got the TRUTH. I was told that he'd immediately stop everything and go scrub down with disinfectant.
I said, I see. It's safe enough to pump into MY veins, but it's NOT safe enough to sit ON your SKIN! No, I don't think I'll have it, thanks anyway.
Kinda shut 'em up. Finally.
"Medicine" is a major trade, operated according to one rule, bifurcated in two sub-rules. The rule is MONEY, and the subrules are "grab as much as you can, as quickly as you can", and "CYA."
As an aside, an example regarding the first sub-rule: A doctor, an GP (or PCP as they prefer to be worshipped as today) "referred" me to a "specialist" (whom I joking refer to as "his cousin" -- small town, one Paki import MD sends me off to see... another Paki import MD!) This joker sat me down, gave a ten minute prepackaged spiel, boiling down to all the ills of the world being caused by apnea, and then telling me I'd need to come BACK for an examination, sleep study, blah blah blah) -- and then a month or so later, we get a bill from them for $65 bucks.
My wife was a bit... pissed. Pissed that they'd charge that much for that silly little ten-minute "talk", and pissed that they didn't even manage to submit the bill to Blue Cross.
Well, as it turns out, it was OUR mistake. They did submit the bill to Blue Cross. The $65 was our ten percent co-pay. The actual cost of that ten minutes of USDA-Pure BS was six hundred and fifty dollars!
I served a coupla terms (resigned mid-term of second appointment) as a Michigan HMO Commissioner. I "saw how sausage is made". I have next to NO respect for the fat, greedy, entirely SELF-interested money-grubbing, patient-KILLING (look up the statistics!) industry that has managed to take hold of this economy by the short hairs.
Smoking? LOL! Let's try dealing with the iatrogenic death rate, before tackling small-potatoes stuff like "smoking"!
Argh, "anyonymous" is a typo, not an ad hoc neologism! :)
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