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'China-level' Christian persecution coming: court's ruling in Houston Bible case 'breath-taking'
WorldNetDaily ^ | 17 Aug 06 | WND

Posted on 08/17/2006 8:21:56 PM PDT by xzins

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To: tutstar
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LOL! I was wondering when I became a Baptist!

161 posted on 09/01/2006 3:22:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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162 posted on 09/01/2006 3:23:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Gone GF

what is your point?


163 posted on 09/01/2006 4:14:13 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: xzins
the judges found this bible to be unconstitutional even though it was placed there for a secular reason, the honoring of a founder of a mission

The very notion that a public monument cannot be erected for a religious reason is already wrong. Religion is something that is publicly exercised. The sad fact is, freedom of religion was lost not now but when someone invented the idea that the intent behind every monument must be secular.

164 posted on 09/01/2006 4:37:41 PM PDT by annalex
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To: wagglebee

ROFL

I am the blonde ok? But there's always room for another Baptist! 8^]


165 posted on 09/01/2006 5:27:38 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: tutstar

Except that I'm Catholic and we seem to "disagree" on a few issues.

But here's a great thread on blondes if you're interested. :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585939/posts


166 posted on 09/01/2006 5:31:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: xzins

We have to get the judges out. This is NOT a country run by judges. It is a republic run by representatives ELECTED by the people.

"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuig invariably the same Object (read, agenda) evinces a Design to reduce them (We the People) under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT.' (Declaration of Independence).


167 posted on 09/01/2006 7:47:27 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: xzins

If the New York City Police Department can display a Koran, I don't think it's asking too much to have a Bible on display.


168 posted on 09/01/2006 7:48:40 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: NewLand

My point is that what you see in the U.S. is absolutely NOTHING like China-style repression of religion. Not even close. To say it's similar is completely silly and way too hyped on the rhetoric.


169 posted on 09/01/2006 8:32:00 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: justche
Actually I am pretty aware of the true revival that is going on in China - I also personally know 2 Chinese men that were in prison for preaching. But I'm sure you're much more current on it then I am.

I of course do not know the circumstances of the two men you speak of. But, if they were organizing an underground church, then they were not arrested for preaching (unless it was the crazy Fulon Gong). They would have been arrested for illegal assembly - after being warned to stop at least once.

As for Christianity in China, more than one Buddhist has complained the Christianity is the most popular religion and that so many are practicing it.

That is likely the reason why there are sections of department stores where you can find so much Christian related merchandise (statues of Jesus, prayer hands, Jesus on a Cross, etc). for sale.

170 posted on 09/02/2006 12:09:45 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Gone GF

Nobody said it was.


171 posted on 09/02/2006 4:13:32 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: MuddyWaters2006

"Now what?"

The 9th misinterpreted precedent as to standing.

What's your point?


172 posted on 09/02/2006 4:19:46 AM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: xzins

The answer to this ridiculous problem has become obvious. Change the name of Christianity to something else. Call it Islam, or Buddhism. Sure, the muzzies will piss and moan about it, but you've just totally undercut the liberal fascists. Now they can't discriminate against Christians, because they're Muslims. In name only, of course.


173 posted on 09/02/2006 4:23:02 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Jezebelle; MuddyWaters2006; P-Marlowe

The national motto is "In God We Trust."

It is in our national anthem, final stanza.

It is on all our money.

Obviously, to rule that "Under God" in a flag pledge is out of order would be to say that many things which have been around for scores of years, uncommented on by any court, are suddenly unconstitutional.

Lemon Test: like Marlowe says, the LT says what the judge feels like making it say.


174 posted on 09/02/2006 5:20:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Jezebelle
What precedent do you believed the Ninth Circuit misinterpreted in the case of Elk Grover v. Newdow? Was it the rule regarding Newdow's standing that the activist liberals on the U. S. Supreme Court, who believe in a living breathing Constitution, invented to avoid having to address the divisive issue of whether "under God" violated the U. S. Constitution? I thought conservatives rejected the "living breathing" Constitution theory.
175 posted on 09/02/2006 5:29:59 AM PDT by MuddyWaters2006
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To: xzins; TexasJackFlash
The national motto is "In God We Trust." It is in our national anthem, final stanza. It is on all our money. Obviously, to rule that "Under God" in a flag pledge is out of order would be to say that many things which have been around for scores of years, uncommented on by any court, are suddenly unconstitutional.

Putting "In God We Trust" on the three cent piece in 1864 wiped out seventy five years of our national heritage. It crossed a line the U. S. Congress had never crossed. Congress before 1864, had never made a duty to God the object of human legislation.

God has exclusive and absolute authority over our duty to trust him. The government has no authority whatsoever over any duty we owe to our Creator.

The 1864 law that put "In God We Trust" on the three cent piece was what the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson considered a law "to govern the kingdom of Christ" and a sinful assumption of "the prerogatives of Jehovah."
176 posted on 09/02/2006 7:07:08 AM PDT by MuddyWaters2006
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To: xzins
To rule that "Under God" in a flag pledge is out of order would be to say that many things which have been around for scores of years, uncommented on by any court, are suddenly unconstitutional.

Violating God's sacred law of Separation of Church and State for many years does not change the eternal edict that was established when Christ, the legislator on matters of religion, declared "My Kingdom is not of this world" and “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”
177 posted on 09/02/2006 7:15:13 AM PDT by MuddyWaters2006
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To: MuddyWaters2006; P-Marlowe
My kingdom is not of this world

Jesus was speaking to a Roman governor.

That verse does not say that Christians are to achew involvement with the political world. And if they get involved, they are not much of a Christian, are they, if they hang their beliefs on the hatrack?

That said, "under God" and "in God we trust" are no more Christian than they are anything else. In sum, there is no religion that is "established."

No foul has been committed.

178 posted on 09/02/2006 7:22:37 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: MuddyWaters2006; xzins
Violating God's sacred law of Separation of Church and State for many years does not change the eternal edict that was established when Christ, the legislator on matters of religion, declared "My Kingdom is not of this world" and “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”

Holy Cow! Boy do you have both scripture and politics messed up. Have you read the constitution? Did you get past the first three words?

"We The People..."

We ARE the Government. We are Caesar. This is OUR country and that is OUR Constitution.

If you think that Christians ought not to get involved in Government because we should render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, then maybe you should be living in a totalitarian regime, where that saying might make sense.

We are not going to render this government to the atheistic anti-God anti-Christian secularists without putting up a fight. The government belongs to the people and the government should be rendering to the people those things that are the people's. If we let those who run our government become the government, then they will become Caesars and we will be their subjects.

179 posted on 09/02/2006 8:10:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: justche

I think the point being that the tools necessary to have such persecution are being put into place.


180 posted on 09/02/2006 8:13:30 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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