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To: MuddyWaters2006; xzins
Violating God's sacred law of Separation of Church and State for many years does not change the eternal edict that was established when Christ, the legislator on matters of religion, declared "My Kingdom is not of this world" and “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”

Holy Cow! Boy do you have both scripture and politics messed up. Have you read the constitution? Did you get past the first three words?

"We The People..."

We ARE the Government. We are Caesar. This is OUR country and that is OUR Constitution.

If you think that Christians ought not to get involved in Government because we should render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, then maybe you should be living in a totalitarian regime, where that saying might make sense.

We are not going to render this government to the atheistic anti-God anti-Christian secularists without putting up a fight. The government belongs to the people and the government should be rendering to the people those things that are the people's. If we let those who run our government become the government, then they will become Caesars and we will be their subjects.

179 posted on 09/02/2006 8:10:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe
If you think that Christians ought not to get involved in Government.

By what logic did you make the long leap from Matthew 22:21 to "Christians ought not to get involved in Government?"

Founding Father Isaac Backus in 1773 wrote that, "We view it to be our incumbent duty, to render unto Caesar the things that are his, but...not to render unto him any thing that belongs only to God..."

It was evident to Isaac Backus, and the Baptists of Massachusetts who he represented, that God had "always claimed it as his sole prerogative to determine by his own laws" things such as what form his worship should take, who should administer his worship, how his ministers should be supported, how one should be baptized, who has received the gift to minister and has authority to preach the gospel. Isaac Backus served as a delegate to the Massachusetts Convention that adopted the U. S. Constitution.

He was obviously a Christian and he obviously did not believe that Christians ought not to get involved in Government. What he most likely believed was that "the kingdom of Christ is not of this world, and religion is a concern between God and the soul, with which no human authority can intermeddle."

If a Christian civil officer uses the authority of his office to intermeddle in religious matters he, violates God's law, the spirit of the U. S. Constitution and the sacred right of conscience. When President George Washington issue his famous 1789 Religious Proclamation he was intermeddling in religious matters and trespassing upon the authority of God Almighty.
182 posted on 09/02/2006 10:22:51 AM PDT by MuddyWaters2006
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