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To: spatso
If Darwin is wrong or needs to be modified, science will prove him wrong and adapt in accordance with the rules of science.

If one subscribes to the philosophical underpinnings of naturalistic materialism, Darwin will not and cannot be shown scientifically to be "wrong." Natural selection, being a phenomenon that is defined solely by virtue of results, presents a unfalsifiable claim. As such, dogmatic evolutionists cannot meet the standard of falsifiability they so often demand of intelligent design if it is to be considered "scientific."

The issue is not whether there are good scientists who are also people of faith. The issue is whether faith may be used as a starting point for scientists. Though you and your cheerleaders a loath to admit it science always begins with faith. Intelligent design is a reasonable, normal, non-supernatural means of explaining organized matter in any form. One need not be superstitious, mystical, suprnatural, or even unscientific to assume or assert as much.

271 posted on 08/18/2006 10:32:13 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"The issue is not whether there are good scientists who are also people of faith. The issue is whether faith may be used as a starting point for scientists. Though you and your cheerleaders a loath to admit it science always begins with faith. Intelligent design is a reasonable, normal, non-supernatural means of explaining organized matter in any form. One need not be superstitious, mystical, suprnatural, or even unscientific to assume or assert as much."

I don't know enough about science to be a cheerleader. However, I do know enough about theology to recognize nonsense when it placed in a faith wrapping. Intelligent design is way outside our understanding of biblical or extra biblical literature. You can teach it to anyone you want as science if you can convince the body of knowledge within science that it has scientific merit. But you cannot posture ID as having any historical connection to our understanding and teaching of scripture. It drives me nuts when I see supposed Christians wanting to rewrite sacred text. The stories on Creation are more than 2500 years old, God has never needed help before to explain the meaning of Genesis. The text says what the text says.
328 posted on 08/18/2006 1:04:24 PM PDT by spatso
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