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Islam needs to face up to its failures (this from a muslim)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 8/17/2006 | Tanveer Ahmed

Posted on 08/17/2006 10:33:57 AM PDT by Dark Skies

THE latest arrests in Britain and Pakistan relating to another possible terrorist attack by Western-raised Muslims are a pivotal point in the shaping of popular opinion and in setting a course of action for Muslims living in the West.

After the London bombings in July last year there were ceremonial hugs between sheiks and the Mayor, Ken Livingstone; not this time. Nor were there immediate police announcements in Muslim districts to avoid criminalising entire communities. In fact, quite the opposite.

The former Metropolitan Police chief, John Stevens, wrote in the News of the World: "When will the Muslim community in this country accept an absolute, undeniable, total truth: that Islamic terrorism is their problem?"

The tone of opinion and editorial pieces has also become less sympathetic. Even progressive newspapers such as The Guardian have accused Muslims of burying their heads in the sand. To a large extent, it is justified.

Despite repeated terrorist attacks and the normality of radical views in the community, Muslims have done little to speak up about the extremists in their ranks or to condemn the abuses of radical Islamic groups and governments. Rather, their political voices have been limited to cries of discrimination and criticism of the foreign policy of the West.

This reached a climax in Britain this week after a council of Islamic representative groups handed a document to the Government outlining how British foreign policy needed to be altered, based not on any principle, but because it was increasing the appeal of extremism in their communities. Similarly, here the Federation of Islamic Councils has been lobbying the Federal Government to remove Hezbollah from a list of banned terrorist groups.

The claims that terrorism is linked solely to Western foreign policy look increasingly weak, especially since the latest investigations in Britain suggest there were plans for attacks on London from the mid-1990s.

When Muslim voices are heard, victimhood themes and, even worse, ludicrous levels of denial dominate. In London this week, interviews with Muslims revealed that large sections of the community still believe there was no proof that Muslims were behind the London bombings and that there was a Jewish conspiracy behind the World Trade Centre attacks.

Surveys in London's Daily Telegraph in February found 6 per cent of Muslims believed the London bombings were justified. This equates to about 100,000 people in Britain who could see nothing wrong with the July 7 attacks in their country. Almost 35 per cent were sympathetic. While no similar surveys have been carried out in Australia, I suspect the figures would be little different.

The groups that tend to harbour undesirable views see Islam as morally superior and believe it needs to be instituted at all costs. They take solace in their belief that despite the overwhelming economic, administrative and technological superiority of the West, at least they can hold on to their superior morals.

They create cultural fortresses to ward off the forces of their adopted home while still hoping to benefit from its economic advantages. It is the children who, raised in such cultural fortresses, feel few ties to their country of birth and are vulnerable to radical ideologies offering a higher, supra-national identity.

The time has come for Western Muslims to take a more aggressive stance, to take control of the institutions and commentary that demean them and accept that Islam is full of failures that require action.

Furthermore, there should be a growing sense that while Islam has been instrumental in offering meaning and purpose to billions, it has been more useful as a system of spirituality than as a system of jurisprudence.

This should be the new battleground between radicals, moderates and cultural Muslims, and recent events demand these issues be confronted directly and debated openly.

Tanveer Ahmed is a psychiatry registrar who is writing a book that takes a comic look at Muslim life in Sydney, to be published early next year by ABC Books.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: australia; crushislam; islam; islamicfascists; islamisadeathcult; islamisevil; islamofascism; muslim; muslims; trop; wot

1 posted on 08/17/2006 10:33:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

I sense a fatwa coming on....


2 posted on 08/17/2006 10:37:23 AM PDT by webheart (Have a nice day!)
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To: Dark Skies
Surveys in London's Daily Telegraph in February found 6 per cent of Muslims believed the London bombings were justified. This equates to about 100,000 people in Britain who could see nothing wrong with the July 7 attacks in their country. Almost 35 per cent were sympathetic.

Why the British - and us too, let's face it - continue to nurse this viper in our bosom is beyond me. We welcome them into our countries, let them wall themselves off in religious/cultural ghettos where they maintain the very same backwardness from which they've allegedly fled, and tie ourselves into politically correct knots not to hurt their feelings while they plot to murder us all. In Britain, they even pay them to remain in idleness on the public dole while carrying out their terror schemes. This is suicidal madness and I don't see any of our "leaders" doing anything to change course.

3 posted on 08/17/2006 10:52:29 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Dark Skies

Muslims? Taking responsibility!!??

This guy needs to spend 2 or 3 months at the Betty Ford clinic and get sober.

I don't know what drugs he's on, but they've pickled his brain.

Muslims taking responsibility for terrorism! HA, it is to laugh!!


4 posted on 08/17/2006 10:57:27 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: webheart

It's very good to read this coming from a Muslim. Especially the comic novel about Muslim life he is writing. Humor is a weapon we need to beef up substantially with novels, movies, sitcoms, etc.

I also want to post this link which details the effects of three generations of marrying cousins among the UK Pakis. They might not be as successful in demographic growth as feared. Also might explain why the young ones are insane.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm


5 posted on 08/17/2006 10:57:45 AM PDT by bukkdems (If this global warming gets out of hand, we can use some of that nuclear winter.)
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To: Dark Skies
recent events demand these issues be confronted directly and debated openly

The debate, Muslim style, is already actively underway .... in the Shiite and Sunni enclaves of Baghdad, in Sudan, in Somalia, and recently in the vehicle barn fires in the streets of Paris. Western style debate is difficult in a culture where forty percent of the population is illiterate, and in the case of Iraq and Somalia, sixty percent illiterate. Such is the legacy of Islam.

6 posted on 08/17/2006 10:59:19 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Argus

"Why the British - and us too, let's face it - continue to nurse this viper in our bosom is beyond me".



It is difficult to understand, unless you are a coward. Too many people believe that the monster can be appeased with simple sacrifices. We know that it can't be.


7 posted on 08/17/2006 11:02:35 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: DustyMoment

lol...the writer is a psychriatry resident (registrar) in Oz. That's probably the reason he's not in denial like the rest of them.


8 posted on 08/17/2006 11:11:20 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: bukkdems

I'm surprised to see an article like that on a BBC web site.

Aren't article like this considered to be Hate Speech in Britain?


9 posted on 08/17/2006 11:13:47 AM PDT by Utahrd
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To: Dark Skies
When will the Muslim community in this country accept an absolute, undeniable, total truth: that Islamic terrorism is their problem?"

It's not their problem, its yours and ours. - tom

10 posted on 08/17/2006 11:17:49 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Utahrd
I am amazed when muslims demand to be treated as if their religion is exempt from it's teachings, and the actions of it's members.
Islam has earned the absolute disgust that moist of us feel towards it. Muslims who are silent are just as guilty as those wearing an explosives laden vest.
If you do not like the way you are treated then fix the problem.
If you do not fix the problem then sooner or later we will have to fix it for you.
If you remain silent and we have to rectify the terror situation then how are we supposed to tell the good islamics from the murderers?
If we can't tell the difference then I guess we will have to leave it up to God to sort it out. If they exist the moderate islamics really need to speak up. Time is running out.
11 posted on 08/17/2006 11:28:33 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

I see interrment camps in the Muslims future. We will get to the point that we realize that Islam is an army in our midst.


12 posted on 08/17/2006 1:03:20 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Islam. Civilization's boat anchor.


13 posted on 08/17/2006 3:35:59 PM PDT by samadams2000
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To: layman
I'll say it again. This is a time war as well as a religious war, and as long as Mooselimbs think that the very passage of time, and the changes that this brings, is an abomination..well, debate is useless.
14 posted on 08/17/2006 11:32:26 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Dark Skies

15 posted on 08/18/2006 1:32:50 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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