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Green coal? Process converts coal into diesel fuel
mongabay ^ | April 14, 2006

Posted on 08/16/2006 4:37:58 PM PDT by dennisw

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1 posted on 08/16/2006 4:38:00 PM PDT by dennisw
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"As the United States’ oil reserves dwindle,"

It would be more accurate to say, "As the United States cannot touch its own oil due to its gevernemnt..."

2 posted on 08/16/2006 4:43:11 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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Glenn Beck just had the CEO of Jet Blue on talking about this. He claims to have a bunch of companies ready to jump in if the Govt(scary part) will protect them from losses should the price of oil drop below their cost of production.
A little scary to me but also seems worth taking seriously.


3 posted on 08/16/2006 4:46:28 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Cable News new slogan: Now running only one week behind the blogs!)
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The government shouldn't be guaranteeing any price floors. That's the same mistake we've made with farm subsidies.


4 posted on 08/16/2006 4:48:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Cobra64

Exactly. I thought we had to start tapping it before it could dwindle. Such nonsense.


5 posted on 08/16/2006 4:50:21 PM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Uriah_lost

Gummint subsidy might be a lot cheaper way: to get free of Arab oil rather than what we are doing now to ensure flow of Arab oil. Let China ensure their own flow of Arab oil.


6 posted on 08/16/2006 4:51:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Dog Gone
Beyond that, I really, really don't want to let the congress off the hook on this crap of not letting us access our own oil supplies.
7 posted on 08/16/2006 4:53:38 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Cable News new slogan: Now running only one week behind the blogs!)
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We haven't even begun to explore Alaska yet. Yes, we have Prudhoe Bay and the possibility of ANWR if the lunatics quit filibustering the legislation.

Divide Alaska into two states, and Texas would be the third largest state. Alaska is that big. I'm not saying there's oil under Fairbanks, but I don't think anyone has looked yet, either.


8 posted on 08/16/2006 4:58:44 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Uriah_lost

I looked this up because of Glenn Beck show tonite. Please note that this coal conversion process extracts more diesel than previously

Diesel/kerosene/jet fuel are all about the same and will take care of lots of our energy needs. Automobiles will have to move to diesel engines. Technology marches on and cleaner and better diesel engines abound. Plus coal conversion has improved since South Africa and the Nazis did it


9 posted on 08/16/2006 5:09:21 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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T-323 Pressure Hydrogenation of Dry Coal. Ludwigshafen, January 29, 1943, by Donath and Rotter. P5-62 TOM 273: 745-748

Old technology. I learned of it from E. Donath's son.


10 posted on 08/16/2006 5:12:28 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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Fools! That's not coal! That's kryptonite!


11 posted on 08/16/2006 5:37:24 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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Why are we not building these plants and building several nuclear generators????


12 posted on 08/16/2006 5:37:49 PM PDT by pointsal (Q)
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Wow... I didnt know the US had SO MUCH coal.


13 posted on 08/16/2006 5:38:57 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: RightWhale
Let China ensure their own flow of Arab oil.

Interesting thought. Seen any suicide bombers in China?

14 posted on 08/16/2006 5:40:54 PM PDT by stboz
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MHD(MagnetoHydroDynamics)is some 60%+ efficient with coal plasma(pure oxygen assisted). The PROBLEM is that coal slag builds up on the throat walls, quickly gumming it up. 5 years ago I came up with a possible solution, thus making MHD-coal practical. My senator got my idea to the DOE where it got the one-soldier-at-attention finger-salute, typical response from a government cocaine-addicted to fuel taxes. So, keep on paying those $3/gal gas prices...they've mosquito-got you right where they want you...


15 posted on 08/16/2006 5:43:48 PM PDT by timer
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To: pointsal
Environmental scare mongers, Democrat opponents of "Big Business"(note scare quotes) and years of cheap oil.
I see these as the big three causes of the current energy troubles.
I could be wrong, but not by much IMHO.
16 posted on 08/16/2006 5:44:20 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Cable News new slogan: Now running only one week behind the blogs!)
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To: pointsal

I heard on Art Bell that a guy's friend has a generator that ran on water. 1 gallon a month will run a house. Home Depot has a secret contract with the guy for a million units. Why waste our time with this crap when there is a silent running water house generator. (For those of you who think that I believe this crack pot that is really claiming this, check the sarcasm lamp. Its ON!)


17 posted on 08/16/2006 6:03:24 PM PDT by Holicheese (Gran Habano #5 Corojo is awesome)
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The Germans did this in WWII -

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/39212/


18 posted on 08/16/2006 6:10:39 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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The Germans did this in WWII - ......

But this process gets a much beater yield of diesel/kerosene/jet fuel from coal.

German coal conversion was 60 years ago and Cadillacs had tail fins 45 years ago


19 posted on 08/16/2006 6:14:12 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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" == Automobiles will have to move to diesel engines. == "

Actually, I think the model will be electric drive using better batteries, with an auxiliary diesel generator to keep it running for long trips. Just like a locomotive, except for the batteries.

In fact, electrification of railroad tracks, which would put all of our rail transport on the grid instead of on on diesel, would save more oil than we get from Saudi Arabia.

The breakthrough technology, if it ever happens, would be some kind of trolley or slot connection on major roads for trucks and private vehicles. It would have to both distribute and meter electric power to operate all of those hybrid vehicles off the (expanded, nuclear powered) grid.


20 posted on 08/16/2006 6:51:24 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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