Israel Won

August 16 2006 | jveritas

[uncbob]

Don't misunderestimate Bush. It is said he is a great poker player

A cliche often used on this site I see NO evidence of that whatsoever

[jveritas]

Israel has captured dozens of Hizballah terrorists including some high value targets. This will give them the upper hand in prisoner exchange.

[jveritas]

Except that President Bush is defeating his enemies and political opponents all the time. Again he does not do it in such a huge PR which seem the only way that emotional people like it to be, but in reality he wins. If you are looking for PR satisfaction and psychological fake victories almost hourly, you can join the democrat party and watch, listen, and read their liberal media.

[kabar]

Israel also failed to get its two kidnapped soldiers back - which is another image/propaganda disaster (to say nothing of how those guys or their families feel about it).

I am sure that it is in the works on a separate path. Israel captured a number of Hezbollah "fighters" during the war, including some high value ones. Israel can now have a face saving POW swap without having to release any prisoners held before the war. I bet the Israeli POWs held by Hezbollah will be returned in the not too distant future--assuming the cease fire holds and the Israeli troops are replaced by the international force.

[bornacatholic]

A cliche often used on this site

*Because they reference truth they become cliches.

I see NO evidence of that whatsoever

*Keep watching. Bush will not end his presidency with the current heads of Syria and Iran in power.

[auboy]

Bump to the top!

[kabar]

Exactly. It was never Israel's objective to wipe out Hezbollah. Nor did they want to become bogged down in a protracted guerrilla war. They did remove Hezbollah's presence from their border and set in motion the introduction of relatively large numbers of Western troops into the region to assist the Lebanese government in gaining control of the south.

[reformedliberal]

Thank you for that, as well as for the original post. I had been wondering how to make a comparison in costs/standards of living.

[A CA Guy]

Excellent post.

In addition Israel will have the terrorist busy and having to spend at least some of their money that would have been used to spill more innocent blood on rebuilding instead and in having to again buy influence in Lebanon.

[Right_in_Virginia]

BUMP

[Ancesthntr]

Israel has captured dozens of Hizballah terrorists including some high value targets. This will give them the upper hand in prisoner exchange.

I am sure that it is in the works on a separate path. Israel captured a number of Hezbollah "fighters" during the war, including some high value ones. Israel can now have a face saving POW swap without having to release any prisoners held before the war. I bet the Israeli POWs held by Hezbollah will be returned in the not too distant future--assuming the cease fire holds and the Israeli troops are replaced by the international force.

I sincerely hope that both of you are correct (and, for that matter, that this war is later looked upon as a great Israeli victory), but Israel is notoriously bad at getting even close to even deals in prisoner swaps. I'm not holding my breath for Olmert to drive a hard line on this, and I'll even go out on a limb and predict that he'll give away far more than those Hezzies captured since 7/12.

[uncbob]

Let's see

Teddy over for pocorn and given awards--That worked

Signed CFR --that worked

2004 SWIFTBOAT VETERANS took Kerry off message and had him hiding out --Bush was ahead in the polls and the Kerry Camp was bickering internally and dispirited till Bush's pathetic performance in the first debate "It's Hard It's hard ( real leader speak) . They were rejuvenated and went out and worked their butts off

Harriet Myers for the Supreme Court--That worked great

Facilating in Iraq stead of pounding the bad guys up front

Nor calls the enemy ISLAMOFACISTS and as I posted yesterday he backed away from that

[jveritas]

All what you mentioned above is either meaningless or that the President correct it as in the case of Harriet Myers.

PS: CFR is the most over rated fear among conservatives and President Bush won over Kerry despite your myopic and silly focus on the first debate.

[Family Guy]

Did you see the Lebanese President on FOX News? He was interviewed by FOX's war correspondent, GEN Shepherd Smith. Any way, the president is sure a Hizbullah butt kisser.

I have to give Shep credit for that one. He really showed that the president of Lebanon is definitely a Hizzy terrorist supporter.

[syriacus]

It's amazing how many people are willing to swallow Hezbollah's "victory" propaganda

That reminds me. My husband thinks that a cartoon showing a huge pile of rubble with a lonely "V" on top would nicely illustrate the Hizb'allah "victory."

[Bommer]

You are confusing a classical war of armies with guerrilla warfare

They are exactly the same. Two army's. 1 with superior technological advantage, the other an insurgent group that dug caves and tunnels and launched crude assaults in a guerrilla fashion all the while being financed by another country. The superior army won all the battles, but lost the PR and pulled out. So who am I talking about?

1.The US vs the Viet Cong financed by Russia?
2. Israel vs. Hezzbollah financed by Iran?

[syriacus]

[Bush is a poker player is a] ... cliche often used on this site I see NO evidence of that whatsoever

My very liberal sister said that we should find another method than war to solve our problems with Iran. She suggested we should surround Iran.

I pointed out to her that we have troops on both sides of that country.

That surprised her.

Bush may not do the popular thing, but I think he and his administration often do the smartest thing in the long run.

Bush has accomplished many of his goals

1. education reform,
2. medicare prescription package,
3. two SC justices
4. approval to go into Iraq
5. tax reduction

I think Bush would have lost the election if he had acted upset when Gore "menaced" him during that Presidential debate.

Bush gave a quizzical look and remained calm -- and I knew at that moment I would vote for him.

Seems like he's a great poker player, to me.

[petercooper]

great post

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

President Bush is defeating his enemies and political opponents all the time. Again he does not do it in such a huge PR which seem the only way that emotional people like it to be, but in reality he wins. If you are looking for PR satisfaction and psychological fake victories almost hourly, you can join the democrat party and watch, listen, and read their liberal media.

Very interesting take, jveritas.

Reminds me of Churhill: "Democracy is like a raft. It won't sink, but your feet are always wet." Well for sure, with Bush leading us our feet are always wet. And if we do not sink, he is either very lucky or very subtle.

[Hound of the Baskervilles]

You have nailed it. A very cogent analysis. Excellent!!!