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To: pissant
IQ has little to do with it. If IQ was the barometer of power and good governance, than Japan should be ruling the world. Afghanistan has had more democracy in the past 60 years than China. Peru is more democratic than the Russia. It means nothing.

You are offering a purely circular argument, which misses the point. You seek to define what is good in terms of what is Democratic. But whether Democracy is good or bad in any situation, has to do with the realities of that situation, including such things as the intelligence of an electorate, and the homogeniety of an electorate. Simply counting noses to count noses, is an absolutely assinine way to formulate policy.

James Madison correctly reported in the Federalist the dangers of "Democracy." It was because of those dangers, that the Founding Fathers adopted a Constitution intended to protect Americans from "Democracy."

To appreciate just how confused the President is in his approach to this issue, you need to actually analyze his Second Inaugural Address. I have done so: Washington/Bush Debate On Foreign Policy. He uses "freedom" in at least six different and conflicting senses. That is pretty confused.

William Flax

50 posted on 08/16/2006 12:16:47 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

I answered your assertion that IQ plays a seminal role in democracy. It doesn't. Scandanavians score higher on IQ tests than Americans, yet few of us would trade our constitutional republic for their socialistic form of democracy.

And yes, what is good is generally democratic. Otherwise the "stability" of the warsaw pact versus the USA led democracies would be seen as a good thing, as opposed to the mess that was created when the USSR collpsed. Was it better for Poland and Estonia and Mongolia to be under the Soviet jackboot? Was it better for Japan to be under an Imperial cultist? Is it better that Kim Jong Il rules half of Korea or would it be better that Korea in total was like the South? Was the Taliban better stewards of the Afghan people than the people themselves? Was Chile better off before Pinochet grabbed the reigns of power and handed them a democracy upon retirement, or would it have been better for Allende to create a new Cuba? Are cubans going to demand freedom with our support, or are we going to allow Raul to continue the commie paradise. How would the Cubans vote given the chance?

And how many democracies have we been to war with? Was Saddam's Iraq one? Were the N. Vietnamese communists or democrats? Did Adolf Hitler tolerate dissent once in office or did he usurp the power to the Nazi machine?

And of our enemies today; is Iran a democracy? Syria?

Democratic countries come in all flavors and styles. But one thing is certain, they are seldom our enemy. And in the words of Thomas Jefferson:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


53 posted on 08/16/2006 12:40:48 PM PDT by pissant
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