Greenland's Thawing ice alarms scientists: "losing the equivalent of Lake Houston every 6 hours"

...carbon dioxide levels have risen by more than 40 percent.

YAWN! Carbon dioxide is plant food. Wake me up if oxygen levels start decreasing.

41 posted on 08/15/2006 2:30:50 PM PDT by 10mm

The satellites only began collecting data in 2002,

IIRC, the growth in ice mass reversed in 2003 - along with 1998, an exceptionally hot year.

42 posted on 08/15/2006 2:32:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)

I have heard of water wells going totally dry on some ranches in a neighboring county. Pretty scary stuff. We have had under 2" rain for several months running now.

43 posted on 08/15/2006 2:32:21 PM PDT by texas_mrs

To: Names Ash Housewares

To quote Jerry Seinfeld: "but I don't wanna be a pirate!"

44 posted on 08/15/2006 2:33:04 PM PDT by fhayek

Want to see an enviro-whacko's head explode? Show 'em this.

The following graphs show that Earth is in a brief period of global warming called an interglacial. The longer time spans, the deep troughs are glacial periods. The line that runs across the graphs is the temperature in 1950 and listed as "0" on the left axis.

As can be seen in the last graph (Figure 1-5), Earth appears ready to move toward another ice age in the cycle.

I'm more concerned with sustaining global warming to offset global cooling and the next ice age.

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

This first graph looks bad, doesn't it -- steeper upward temperature trend. Horizontal red line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-1 Global warming

The second graph shows today's temperature isn't out of the norm. Horizontal blue line is temperature at 1950.

Figure 1-2 Climate of the last 2400 years

The next graph shows a downtrend in temperatures from 8,000 years ago to today. The down trend is steeper in the recent 2,000 years. From left to right the upper spikes have lower highs while the lower spikes have lower lows. (The same effect can be seen in Figure 1-2, above.)

Figure 1-3 Climate of the last 12,000 years

This graph shows that agriculture and stationary societies emerged 8,000 years ago during a time frame when global temperature was much higher than normal, or average.

Figure 1-4 Climate of the last 100,000 years

The next graph shows that the recent 8,000 years was one of five brief hot spikes when glaciers were at minimums. With much longer troughs when glacials (ice ages) were the norm most of the time.

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice

The graph below is reversed. That is, the left side is present day and the right side is 3 million years ago. It shows a 3 million year down trend toward widening extremes in the temperature cycle.

Figure 1-6 Climate for the last 3 million years

45 posted on 08/15/2006 2:33:41 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)

Let me see if I understand this correctly. They have 4 years of data and they are projecting results 1000 years down the road!! That is some powerful model that must be based on a ton of well proven relationships resulting in microscopic error terms. Alternatively perhaps these scientists are a facing a renewal of their NSF grant.

46 posted on 08/15/2006 2:33:42 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)

"We may not be happy if the Greenland sheet melts, but..."

There are lots of WWII aircraft to be recovered if it would quit snowing.

47 posted on 08/15/2006 2:35:03 PM PDT by Deguello

So Greenland will return to the state it was in when the vikings first ran into it back about 1000 years ago. It didn't get its name for its gigantic glaciers.

It wasn't all that green. That was exaggerated. That is not, however, to say that the green areas were not considerably more expanded than they are now.

48 posted on 08/15/2006 2:35:24 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)

So Greenland will return to the state it was in when the vikings first ran into it back about 1000 years ago. It didn't get its name for its gigantic glaciers.

Oh, come on. There ya go again, peeing on their parade with those nasty little facts.

You really are hard core.

49 posted on 08/15/2006 2:36:43 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)

That means it's time to short temperature futures.

50 posted on 08/15/2006 2:38:45 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%

To: Names Ash Housewares

51 posted on 08/15/2006 2:41:16 PM PDT by MrEdd (More cheep than a flock of baby chickens.)

To: <1/1,000,000th%

Yep. Glad someone saw that too. Are you a technical analyst?

52 posted on 08/15/2006 2:42:16 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)

Material in this posts describes how, overall, 90% of the Earth's glaciers are growing; Antarctica, except for the one small peninsula they report in the news constantly, is seeing its ice mass grow by trillions of tons.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644060/posts

53 posted on 08/15/2006 2:45:24 PM PDT by dangus

My only experience with Lake Houston involved zillions (possibly quad-zillions) of May flies and extreme heat.

And mosquitos.

I came out of it looking like I had chicken pox.

Can't say I'd miss a Lake Houston disappearing every six hours.

54 posted on 08/15/2006 2:45:32 PM PDT by Nickname

Love it!! I assume Krabill and Miller talk a lot!

55 posted on 08/15/2006 2:47:26 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)

At that rate, Greenland is raising sea levels by less than a half-inch per decade. But still more rapid ice loss could accelerate that rate. If all of Greenland's ice were to melt, seas would rise by 21 feet.

A frozen a full bottle of water in the freezer the other day. Guess what? The ice took up more space than the original water, distorting the plastic bottle. I then melted the ice back to water and the level in the bottle fell back to original levels.

Yeah, I know ice bergs stick out of the water, but there is a whole lot more underneath, otherwise they would be top heavy and fall over.b

56 posted on 08/15/2006 2:48:00 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)

57 posted on 08/15/2006 2:50:10 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%

Love it!! I assume Krabill and Miller talk a lot!

Sorry,
Muller not Miller

58 posted on 08/15/2006 2:50:15 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)

At New Orleans, the average flow rate of the Mississippi is 600,000 cubic feet per second......

If this is true, I think we need to worry more about all the ice we're losing along the Mississippi every year. Who cares about Greenland!?

We must stop the flow of the Mississippi, now!!

59 posted on 08/15/2006 2:51:49 PM PDT by rdax

But, but, but where's my hockey stick?

60 posted on 08/15/2006 2:51:51 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free

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