Posted on 08/13/2006 2:38:50 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
"They've said all along that all they care about is that border security be the first priority of any immigration reform plan and that illegal immigrants not be given amnesty. They insisted that they aren't motivated by racism and that they have no problem with immigrants, if they are here legally."
"Anti-amnesty Republicans in Congress come in three flavors. There are the opportunists who view the issue as red meat that will inspire GOP voters in November. There are the nativists who are frightened over how Latinos affect the culture and who have taken it on as their crusade to reverse that trend. And there are the pragmatists who are willing to work for a bipartisan agreement that fixes a broken immigration system."
"The Hutchison-Pence plan forces the anti-amnesty crowd to level finally with the rest of us about what really bothers them. If it is that people are here illegally, or that the border isn't secure, then the plan has that covered. But if it's the fear that Anglo-Saxon culture and the English language are being eroded by Spanish-speaking foreigners, and that the country is going down the tubes because of it -- then this plan doesn't offer much relief.
After all, under it, the immigrants get to be legal, but they also get to stay. For some people, that's the real problem. As far as those people are concerned, the Hutchison-Pence plan doesn't offer much comfort.
What it does offer is something this debate could use more of: clarity. "
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let's put him in conference with some of the aliens he supports who are contagious with TB, Hepatitis, and Chagas.
we need NO IMMIGRATION REFORM. Just enforce the laws already on the books.
Which is called AMNESTY, aka, rewarding lawbreakers. Pure crap.
Notice that of the three reasons we are against illegal immigration, the fact that it is illegal isn't one of them?
Changing the rules so you can suddenly make someone go from illegally in the country to legally in the country does not change the fact that they came here by breaking the law (and in most cases continued breaking the law while they were here). It does not magically make them into law abiding citizens and it does not magically change the fact that people who have been following the law have been cheated.
This author clearly believes most of us are stupid.
susie
Yeah, but at least he supports the president...
So in this context a "nativist" is someone who prefers American society to Mexican society? I guess I'm a "nativist" then. But aren't all of the Mexicans who want to move here "nativists" too, then?
Under Pence a guest worker can bring his family here. Make anchor babies.
Plus it only addresses illegal aliens from certain Hispanic nations. They can apply for guest worker status but others, such as Chinese, Asians and Europeans cannot
**** Ilegal aliens from Hispanic nations that have free trade agreements with us are eligible to become guest workers
That's me. There are numerous Hispanic nations with "Latino culture". But that ain't enough for the ethnic hustlers. They want to make broad swaths of America into Hispanic enclaves. Already you are at a disadvantage for employment in some jobs if you don't speak Spanish
That is the crux of the issue:
We have accepted more immigrants than any other country, and, Yes, it is because a specific set of beliefs was imported to the 'new world' and proved to be far, FAR, more successful than the tribal systems that faced it's presence.
THE issue is not immigration but illegal immigration of a single socio/political wave that has absolutely NO intention of incorporating into the existing society.
The insane basis for this entire movement, apart from ill founded racism and ignorant fetishes about mythology, is that all the goodies will be here after they've superseded the Anglo-Saxon, common law, systems that were here before PC demanded that the rest of us, anglo/semetic/asian/etc. hand over the keys.
They, including the elites of both countries, want to see increased mexican (it ain't "latin america") culture (nativism) while keeping (overlaid) American rewards.
It's the SYSTEM:
First of all the laws ("illegal" has a definition)
Second, the equal application of those laws ("amnesty" only for border crossers - or should we let the "victimless" drug dealers and "consensual" child rapists out as well?)
Third, belief that self defense is legitimate (our system, economy, government, and our physical well being are all under attack - invasion - and we've the RIGHT to defend against it.)
(Times like this I wish the President DID monitor FR)
"There is another group to which I belong, and that is that we enforce our laws to stop the very great harm that is being done to the American Taxpayer throough the massive use of social programs by illegals,..."
Agreed, sign me up for #4.
Of course it's a problem to legalize, with just the stroke of a pen, criminal border crossers. This isn't only a problem of paper work. This is about handing over 13 million votes to people who elected an openly socialist mayor of Mexico City. It isn't racist to be concerned about the future of our country.
Yes.
It's about assimilation, stupid.
There are the nativists who are frightened over how Latinos affect the culture
They will negatively effect the culture and the natives have a right to be concerned. Immigration is a zero sum game, it must be at the expense of the natives and dismissing their concerns is a form of racism, of declaring them to be subhuman without the rights granted to every other group on the planet.
Navarrette supports immigration for only one reason: because it benefits hispanics. His support is purely racist. He is robbing us of our culture, land and political power, it is at our expense. Remember, the Poles sitting at home minding their own business weren't racists, it was the Nazis pouring over the border who were the racists.
"Practicing "nativism" is the duty of all good Americans. We owe it to our forefathers who built this country for their "posterity". The "Greatest Generation" did not fight Italians, Germans and Japanese to have us invaded by Latin America.
The Hutchison-Pence plan forces the anti-amnesty crowd to level finally with the rest of us about what really bothers them. If it is that people are here illegally, or that the border isn't secure, then the plan has that covered. But if it's the fear that Anglo-Saxon culture and the English language are being eroded by Spanish-speaking foreigners, and that the country is going down the tubes because of it -- then this plan doesn't offer much relief.
This guy should pay close attention to those "Feed The Children" and other commercials begging for donations to help the poor. He won't see those who are living under "Anglo-Saxon culture" begging for help.
After all, under it, the immigrants get to be legal, but they also get to stay. For some people, that's the real problem. As far as those people are concerned, the Hutchison-Pence plan doesn't offer much comfort.
Get to stay and suck up my tax dollars.
What emboldens finks like this Navarrete is that anyone with a command of basic arithmetic can easily see that this country's eventual long-term future is as a Latin-majority country. The only action that would prevent that would be the deportation of illegal aliens and their progeny. IMHO, that will simply not happen.
Border Security? We're going to get that soon, I hope and pray. An end to illegal immigration? We'll never eradicate it, but we will control it better. But as worthy as these two accomplishments will be, the majority ethnic group of the country will still become Latino. The huge numbers of Latinos now here and the huge contnuing flow of illegals work against integration, or assimilation. It is we who will be assimilated! All we can do now is regulate it and try and slow it down to manageable proportions and pace of change. European-descended Americans are already in a minority position in many areas, especially in the Southwest. Throughout the country and we're passing through a two-track culture right now, with the acceptance of Spanish as our de facto second language. The challenge is not to reverse this: that's impossible without measures no one has the will to impose. We have to figure out how to manage it and turn it into a useful thing, which might be almost impossible, but it's our only shot.
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