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To: tpaine
England is a becoming a socialistic nightmare that the USA does not need to copy.

It is for the children, doncha know. They'll inherit a third-rate version of the country they live in, but by golly they will have the illusion of safety.

14 posted on 08/13/2006 11:42:02 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: tortoise
They'll inherit a third-rate version of the country they live

Please give me three specific examples where your rights as a citizen have been in any way infringed by the Patriot Act. Specific source and specific event please, not the usual vague hyper emotional ranting about "third rate countries" and "police state powers etc".

17 posted on 08/13/2006 11:58:44 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (History shows us that if you are not willing to fight, you better be prepared to die)
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To: tortoise
"-- I wouldn't want to live in a society that attempted to make terrorism impossible. It is the freedoms we enjoy that make us vulnerable.

A society that earnestly tried to make terrorism impossible would be a society where all communications would be monitored by the government.
Every financial transaction would be scrutinized by the government.
Every purchase of a household chemical that could be used to make a bomb would be reported to the government.
Guns would be completely out of the question.
Every bus you boarded would give you a virtual strip-search.
There would be no bathroom breaks on airline flights, - you'd be locked to your seat.

And the real kicker is that after all those reductions in freedom, terrorism would still be possible. No matter how much you mortgage your freedom in the interest of safety, you'll never be safe --"

http://txfx.net/2006/05/21/trading-freedom-for-safety-right-wing-edition
20 posted on 08/13/2006 12:08:41 PM PDT by tpaine
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