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Clean but mean electric car is creator's dream come true
The Australian ^
| August 12, 2006
| Chris Ayres
Posted on 08/12/2006 12:36:57 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: theBuckwheat
Let me add that electric utilities, particularly in the northeast US burn oil because of the emissions restrictions. In the US 3.6 percent of electricity is generated by petroleum products. In the Northeast (CT, DC, DE, MA, MD, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VA, VT) is 9.1%.
Annual Electric Generator Report by State from 1990 to 2004, EIA.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:03:01 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: digger48
OK, am I thinking this out clearly? You can drive 250 miles (about 4 hours) before needing to stop for a a 3.5 hour charge. That sonds good for drinving around town, but cross country car trips would be a drag.
It's a good start, but at $100,000 a pop, it needs more work.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:03:09 PM PDT
by
keats5
(tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
To: tessalu
How cute!
Now sports morons with millions and entertainers dumber than bricks can feel good about themselves without having to share their solution with the common man.
Wonderful!
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:04:13 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
To: wmfights
In my part of the country we get 70% of our electricity from nuclear power plants. Where are you at? (What State?)
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:05:04 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: theBuckwheat
There is also the issue of what to do with the 6,831 lithium-ion cells that will need to be replaced every year or so.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:05:18 PM PDT
by
Bubba_Leroy
(What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
To: webstersII
You would think that if they had, like they allude to, custom electronics, each giving top efficiencies, they give some numbers, charts.
Maybe the engineers haven't had time to get the sales guys up to speed. Busy and all that. Working late. Customers don't want to know. Wouldn't understand anyways. Breakthrough secrets. Hush hush, Japanese men with cameras at the fence line and all that.
Yup. That's the ticket.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:06:24 PM PDT
by
Leisler
(Islam is the ROP. I know because the President told me so.)
To: theBuckwheat
"Any vehicle that relies on the electric utility grid to recharge its batteries is in essence powered by coal. If anyone boasts that these vehicles do no emit any pollutants, they are not including those emitted by the power plant, which in the case of coal is not insignificant." Exactly!! And, by the way, when someone comes up with a vehicle thusly powered that will tow a 6 ton fifth-wheel trailer from Mississippi to California, would you please, for God's sake, FreepMail me?
When pondering things of this gravity, it is always helpful to remember never to urinate into a gale force wind.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:07:21 PM PDT
by
davisfh
To: tessalu
There's another group out in California...that have developed kits for all cars with batteries that top anything on the market right now [those batteries]. Any car can be equipped with them...
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:10:22 PM PDT
by
shield
(A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
To: Henchster
Don't forget:
5) AFAICT, the high voltage is a huge hazard to driver, passengers, fire-fighters and rescue personnel in the event of a crash.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:10:35 PM PDT
by
TChris
(Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
To: tessalu; Everybody
The luddites will always be with us.
---Lessons from the Luddites---
Technologies are never neutral, and some are hurtful.
Industrialism is always a cataclysmic process, destroying the past, roiling the present, making the future uncertain.
What purpose does this machine serve?
What problem has become so great that it needs this solution?
Is this invention nothing but, as Thoreau put it, an improved means to an unimproved end?
Who are the winners?
Who are the losers?
Will this invention concentrate or disperse power, encourage or discourage self worth?
Can society at large afford it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can "society at large" afford luddites?
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:12:46 PM PDT
by
tpaine
To: Locomotive Breath; Leisler
I think that they're saying the electric motor is 95% efficient. From their web site
Tesla Roadster Technical Data
Motor Type designation 3-phase, 4-pole electric motor
Max net power 185kW
Max rpm 13,500
Efficiency 90% average, 80% at peak power
Which like you say does not include losses from charging, discharging, converting and the drive train.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:12:58 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: theBuckwheat
Let me add that electric utilities, particularly in the northeast US burn oil because of the emissions restrictions. To the extent that recharging the batteries in an electric vehicle requires the utility to pump more oil into the boiler at the power plant, the car does indeed burn oil.One fact never mentioned is the transmission losses for electricity.
The last figure I remember is 50%.
Nothing has happened in the last 10 years to change that number.
That means that for every kilowatt used by a consumer, a kilowatt is wasted as heat.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:15:04 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
To: drlevy88
Those old gas refrigerators had to remain stationary and level in order to work.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:21:18 PM PDT
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: thackney
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:22:13 PM PDT
by
wmfights
(Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
To: drlevy88
With a 3 hour charge time, I guess we can expect more six martini lunches.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:24:52 PM PDT
by
D Rider
To: Between the Lines
It is ironic that this car, which is powered by rechargable batteries (ie. DC), is named after one of the foremost champions of AC.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:26:56 PM PDT
by
reg45
To: Publius6961; BUCKWHEAT
I don't "get it" fellas.. --- Are you two really against the entire concept of a usable electric car?
Why?
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:27:41 PM PDT
by
tpaine
To: Leisler
An inverter to from DC to AC can be very efficient.
This story is basically true.
The thing is, they only include the efficiency from the house electrical socket to the wheels. They don't talk about from natural gas, coal, oil and other energy sources to your house's electrical socket efficiency.
Most of California's electricity is generated with natural gas. That's been one of the big drivers of higher natural gas prices over the last several years. California already uses a lot of electricity without trying to power cars...
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:27:53 PM PDT
by
DB
(©)
To: DB
The thing is, they only include the efficiency from the house electrical socket to the wheels. They don't talk about from natural gas, coal, oil and other energy sources to your house's electrical socket efficiency."
__________________________
Nuclear! It's clean. It's cheap. It's dependable.
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:33:57 PM PDT
by
wmfights
(Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
To: tessalu
how much is car insurance???
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posted on
08/12/2006 2:34:21 PM PDT
by
camas
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