I never knew that.
I also didn't know that they invented the liquid explosives and actually did that test back in 1995.
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Isn't it about time we start attacking whatever mass transportation they have in Iran, Syria etc.? M aybe we can take out some mules.
The book The New Jackals by Simon Reeves is about OBL and Yousef. The FBI said of Yousef that he was the most experience bomb maker they'd ever come across. And he trained lots of jihadists before his ultimate arrest.
This must not be true. You see Senator Kennedy and other leading democrats say that the terrorist plot is because of President Bush's bad policies in Iraq. This must just be right wing propaganda.
I REMEMBER TWA FLIGHT 800.
I wonder if the FBI looked into a liquid explosive on TWA Flight 800? Maybe this is why there was no explosive residue found.
That's because it wasn't Bush's fault. It didn't get a lot of press coverage.- tom
Must of been the Iraq war that made the terrorists try that. /sarc
Does the accumulation of four years without further terrorist attacks make you feel safer when you fly? It shouldn't. The Bureaucratic Bunglers are out in full force and with them in charge you don't have a prayer. Or rather, all you do have is prayer.
According to Annie Jacobsen, we'd better do our homework on this one because there is no one watching out for us. Back in April,Gates of Vienna posted on Ms. Jacobsen's tenacity and her willingness to follow this story wherever it led. That post, "Silence of the Sheep," proved that the author is a sheepdog indeed. Her interviews with other passengers, with government agencies, with the House Judiciary Committee, with airline personnel, and with individual people who bear the day-to-day hazard of working in this field, have made her case. The tale of her experiences is documented well in "Terror in the Skies".
This is a top-down problem. The guys in harm's way - the pilots and flight attendants - know the problems but they have no more power to address them than you do. Less than two percent of pilots are armed. Want to know why? Because in order to actually carry a firearm on board, the firearms training must be done on the pilot's own time and it has to be done in a place far from home, squeezed into his holiday time or vacation.
And flight attendants? Again, they have to arrange self-defense training on their own time, at their own expense and without the cooperation of the airlines themselves. Think of it this way: what if Brink's hired drivers and gave them no training in handling attempted robberies? What if they expected their employees to get training - if any - on their own time and their own dime? How long do you think Brink's would be in business?
That's the situation we have in the friendly skies of America. When you add to that the cruel joke of the Federal Air Marshals, the lackadaisical behavior of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the farce we all know as the Department of Homeland Insecurity, it's enough to make you want to stay home and do your business by long-distance and email.
Let's take just one: FAMS. This is bureaucratese for the Federal Air Marshal program. You know the old joke that goes "you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny"? Well, for this program, the first part may or may not be the case, but for the second premise - being dressed funny - you can count on FAMS. Due to the boneheaded policies of those in charge, Federal Air Marshals are required to wear sport coats and collared shirts. Yes, that's right: they must look like Federal Air Marshals at all times because they are a reflection of FAMS and dressing in a slovenly disguise would somehow bring disgrace to the organization. Comments about being a lovely corpse would be appropriate here.
Then there's what they do after they're up and dressed. Remember, they're carrying guns, right? So obviously they can't go through security. However, there's a second obvious thing they can do - they can fight the current and walk through the exit lanes for deplaning passengers. How's that for subterfuge?
Let's see, what other behaviors might they carry out to make themselves more obvious? Pre-boarding is one trick they have down well. So is always riding in first class.
And there you have the FAMS spotter information: check out the guys in first class in the sports coats who got on the plane before you. But don't worry. Any terrorists on board sussed to their tricks a long time ago. They know exactly who they have to take out first, provided that any "taking out" is even necessary. If you're going to detonate in the restroom, what do you care where the Federal Marshals are? They're coming with you anyway.
Annie Jacobsen makes a good case for the fact that her flight, 327 on Northwest Airlines, was a "probe," a dry run practice. And she backs up her contention with:
* eyewitnesses who were on the plane with her,
*a four hour FBI interrogation in which they admitted her intuition was correct,
* contact from other passengers on other planes who decry the lack of security and the lack of follow-up in their cases, and
* communications from frustrated and fearful pilots, flight attendants, and others in the business who know the skies are anything but safe, that they are being probed all the time, and that it is only a matter of time before planes fall from the sky.
Near the end of the book Ms. Jacobsen recounts a conversation with an air marshal. She asked him to explain what he meant when he said "it was all for show." Here' what he told her:
"You know how youd go to the airport, before 9/11, and an agent there, somebody who worked for the airlines would say to you, 'Did you pack your own bags?' Well, it was all for show. Those agents weren't trained in detecting whether or not someone was lying. The procedure was there to make the flying public feel good. That's what happened with 327. They all came running like in the movies, but it was all for show. Who interviewed the men? FAMS. We're not trained in interviewing terror suspects. We don't know what to look for. And the FBI at the airport? I won't go there. Who really should have been there? ICE. Period. ICE. But they weren't. Why? Because management says probes aren't happening on airplanes. The guys were there to make the passengers feet good, nothing more, nothing less. Two years ago, I had a probing incident. It may have been one of the first. After it happened, no one knew what to do, there was no protocol. The guys involved in the incident sailed off into the crowd. What was I going to do? Run up, tap the guy on the shoulder and say, 'I almost shot you, now I'd like to interview you?'
Instead, I filed a report about my probing incident. Basically I was told 'it didn't happen.' Well, it did happen. Probes have been happening ever since. I doubt anybody ever even remotely considered you'd attract the kind of press you did. But you did. That's a good thing."
Now you know. Annie Jacobsen's intuitions about Flight 327 were correct. But you know even more: the official response to 9/11 is all for show - boondoggle and brouhaha and folderol and CYA.
Perhaps we should fly the friendly skies of El Al. They know security; they take it in with their mothers' milk.
You tell me - why would a word that exists in Arabic need to come from anywhere else?
To play "pin the tail on Bosnia", of course.
maybe Annie Jacobsen wasn't as nuts as the Feds made her out to be....
1989 : (PHILIPPINES : YOUSEF SETS UP LINKS BETWEEN AL QAEDA & ABU SAYYAF) Yousef - known as "the chemist" - became crucial to al Qaeda's spread into Asia, setting up links as early as 1989 with Abu Sayyaf extremists in the Philippines. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
SEPTEMBER 1992 : (YOUSEF TRAVELS TO US ON IRAQI VISA UNDER FAKE ID, WAS GRANTED ASSYLUM) In September, 1992, Yousef travelled to the US on an Iraqi visa, and under a false identity. He was granted asylum after claiming to have been beaten by Iraqi soldiers. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
FEBRUARY 26, 1993 : (WTC 1 PLOT : YOUSEF, FORMERLY A COLLABORATOR DURING IRAQ'S OCCUPATION OF KUWAIT, PLANNED WTC1 ATTACK) Ramzi Yousef is serving 240 years in a US prison for masterminding the 1993 attacks. Raised in Kuwait, he is known to have collaborated with Iraq during the occupation of Kuwait. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
MARCH 1993 ?: (YOUSEF FLEES THE US ; HIDES IN THE PHILIPPINES, PLANS OPERATION BOJINKA) Six months later [after he arrived in the US in Sept 1992], Yousef fled, having constructed the truck bomb that fellow Islamic extremists drove into the basement of the trade centre. While in hiding in Manila, [Yousef] then drew up plans to bomb 11 American passenger airliners over the Pacific. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
1995 : (WTC PLOTTER YOUSEF ARRESTED IN PAKISTAN NEAR IRAQI EMBASSY AND IS HANDED OVER TO US) The Bojinka plot misfired, and in 1995 he [Yousef] was arrested in Islamabad, near the Iraqi embassy, and handed over to the US. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
1995 : (PHILIPPINES ARRESTS 9 ABU SAYYAF MEMBERS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF KSM : 6 WERE IRAQI AGENTS) When police in the Philippines arrested nine members of Abu Sayyaf in 1995, they identified six of the nine as Iraqi agents. They believed this cell had operated under instructions from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, one of bin Laden's senior lieutenants. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
OCTOBER 2002 : (THE PHILIPPINES : ZAMBOANGA BOMBING KILLS AMERICAN GREEN BERET; See ABU SAYYAF & IRAQI DIPLOMATS) ...“The intelligence report on the links of the Abu Sayyaf and the second secretary of the Iraq Embassy in the Philippines came about when NICA traced cell-phone directories that [established the] link between the Iraqi second secretary and the Abu Sayyaf group that engineered the bombing in the area of Malagutay in Zamboanga City,” said Ople. He explained that an Abu Sayyaf member made the call to Hussain right after the bombing in Zamboanga City, which occurred in October last year [2002]. “The intelligence reports are very detailed [but] I’m not allowed to disclose the details because it will compromise the assets of the intelligence community,” said Ople, stressing, “These allegations are serious and I have to ask the Iraqi chargé d’affaires about it.” Ople also told Bolus that the military and the police will continue to monitor the activities of Iraqi Embassy officials in the Philippines. ------ " Iraqi diplomat linked to Philippine bombing," By ESTRELLA TORRES, TODAY Reporter , Japan Today , 2/11/03
... reminder from the top of the post again:
1989 : (PHILIPPINES : YOUSEF SETS UP LINKS BETWEEN AL QAEDA & ABU SAYYAF) Yousef - known as "the chemist" - became crucial to al Qaeda's spread into Asia, setting up links as early as 1989 with Abu Sayyaf extremists in the Philippines. - "Powell's mission: to link Saddam with terror," theage.com.au, February 1 2003 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804523375.html.
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OOPS! Can Admin Moderator remove my last post?
This is more better!
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200312150842.asp
Bojinka was a nitroglycerin bomb
this is an acetate peroxide (TATP) bomb
bboth are volatile, big difference is TATP is undetectable by nitrogen based bomb screening equipment than would discover nitro
the mid-1990s, huh?