Posted on 08/10/2006 9:14:15 PM PDT by peyton randolph
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The plan put forward by Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, both Republicans, on July 25th, would allow Mexicans and Central Americans to enter the United States through a temporary worker program. Workers here illegally now would need to leave the country and apply for re-entry. The program would be administered by private companies operating "Ellis Island Centers" outside the country.
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Pence and Hutchison recognize that any immigration reform worthy of the name must meet the legitimate needs of our growing economy for additional workers.
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(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
Have fun.
Ok thats fine.So let this country club collection of republicans pay for it.Whats that?they want the middle class to pay for it.GET STUFFED guys
He's trying to blame our problem with illegal immigration on the fact that the 1986 IRCA did not include a guest worker program?
The blame is on the fact that the amnesty was given but the enforcement provisions weren't enforced. If a bank forgets to lock their vault and turn on their alarm one night and all the money is stolen, should we place the blame for the robbery on the lack of adequate social welfare programs?
If we added a guest worker program to the IRCA, we'd have an even worse problem because we'd have that many more anchor babies keeping the "guests" from ever leaving.
One of the arguement against guest workers is that Americans would pick the strawberries if they were paid a little better. How could that be proven? Would enough Americans move to the Imperial Valley, and pick lettece in that heat? Just asking. I do know that Tom Tancerdo won`t be there.
Who gives a rat's you know what about strawberrys or lettuce or california chardonnay. If there is really demand for that stuff then consumers will pay the appropriate price to get it. I for one don't go to the grocery store for strawberrys. if they are there, I might buy some as an impulse buy. If they aren't, I don't lose any sleep over it. Why should we pay the price to prop up a BS economy? If they have to double the price of lettuce to get some Americans off welfare and down there picking it out of the ground it would be the worst thing that happened to any of us.
Pence just lost me. I'm sure he doesn't care, being a bit older he's made it longer without me than he will with me under ideal circumstances.
The sad thing is all the Mexicans who have ANY initiative have crossed the border. I say we should send them back well trained and well armed to fix the problems in their own country.
How can it be proven we need a guest worker program, without first not having a guest worker program?
Anyway, if we do need another guest worker program, it should not include the criminals that are currently breaking our laws. For every criminal here breaking our laws, there are 1,000 aliens who have not broken our laws and can do the jobs just as well or better.
The Pence plan and all the other plans are just amnesty in disguise.
See #12
If you like reading boring legal documents, you read a draft of the legislation here.
What prominent conservatives and supporters of immigration reform have to say about the Pence Plan
Odysseus escaped the powerful temptation of the siren song only because his sailors, out of respect and affection for their captain, tied him to the mast. He thrashed about and called on his crew to untie him, but they refused until they had sailed past the temptation. Mike, Lifeboat America’s passengers and crew have to strap you to the mast as we chart this course through the rocky waters of the immigration debate. It’s a narrow channel, in hazardous seas, through which Lifeboat America must resist many alluring temptations. Congressman Pence, America is going to need you for a long time as a leader in the Conservative Movement. Just say it ain’t so, Mike.
-Congressman Steve King (R-IA)
Despite the consistent failure of all guest worker plans (e.g., France), Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) is peddling a new plan to import foreign workers who really are guests and really do go home. Pence has turned his back on the 88 percent of House Republicans who voted that we must achieve border security first, because we'll be cheated on border security if Congress passes a "comprehensive" bill..
The so-called compromise proposed by Rep. Mike Pence would place no limit whatsoever on the numbers of foreign workers who could be imported by U.S. employers from any country anywhere in the world. By flooding this country with so many immigrants, legal and illegal, controlling immigration will become impossible and by dumping that burden onto an already-overburdened system of government benefits, these proposals [The Senate Amnesty and the Pence Plan] are a threat to the future of the United States. They must be defeated.
The Pence plan is going to end up being an amnesty just like all the other guest worker plans. No matter how you package the idea, as soon you open up the idea that guest workers can stay, every illegal immigrant wanting to be in the U.S. immediately reclassifies themselves as a guest worker.
-James Gilchrist: Founder of the Minuteman Project
The Pence Amnesty wouldn’t go down with the public any better than the string of other amnesty plans that have been proposed over the past couple of years.
-Mark Krirkorian, President of the Center for Immigration Studies
Mike Pence is one of truest free market believers in Congress. Exhibit A: When asked about immigration reform, he said, "It’s a safe bet the Senate will produce a bad bill on any topic."
But that was a few weeks ago. On Wednesday (May 23 rd) the congressman convincingly demonstrated that Senators are not the only ones who don’t get it. At a Heritage Foundation speech that afternoon, Pence presented what he called "a rational middle ground…between amnesty and mass deportation" that would, in effect, reward illegal aliens for breaking the law.
Edward Rubenstein- President of ESR Research Associates
“The House’s strategy in H.R. 4437 was to fix the illegal alien problem by enforcing the law. Over time, as illegal workers cannot obtain jobs, they go home because they have no other option open to them. Pence takes a much different approach: fix illegal behavior by legalizing it. As a conservative and a friend of Mike Pence, I am baffled by his shift on immigration. I hope he reconsiders his position and returns to an enforcement-first position.”
If the House buys the Pence plan, it will be the end of Republican control of the House in November and the end of Mike Pence as a rising star of the GOP. But that will not matter. For the consequences for the country will be irremediable and infinitely worse.
[B]eware of House conservatives bearing gifts-such as respectable "compromises" that might satisfy the White House, soften the Senate Republican minority, and "unite" the GOP. Anything that does the first two of these three things will not be a compromise but a surrender. Mike Pence seems like a sound fellow in general but his proposed "compromise" is an utter absurdity
-John O’Sullivan, National Review
There is very little about [the Pence Plan] that is substantially different from a dozen other plans, except that it is a conservative proposing the "compromise" in this case. And that is precisely why I believe that Pence's plan is more dangerous than the other legalization schemes -- because it will not be subjected to the same level of skepticism and examination as a compromise produced by Senators Kennedy or McCain or Reid.
Great post!
Looks like another trojan horse.
FIRST -- strawberries are a labor-intensive crop that was not economically feasible in most parts of the country until AFTER the huge influx of illegals in the 1980's. If we could live without cheap strawberries once before, we could do so again.
SECOND, if you look at agriculture in the 1970's you will see that it was MORE mechanized then than it is now. Farmers stopped investing in machinery when they could get cheap, temporary, stoop labor instead. So if you got rid of the illegals, you wouldn't need an army of Americans to replace them. Machinery could replace them.
WRONG! If the labor is cheap enough, the farmers would prefer not investing in machinery. Machines must be financed or leased, maintained, stored. Are you a farmer? I'm not a farmer but there are many in my family. My uncle just invested in a bean dryer and it took a lot of money and now he rents to other farmers who can't afford to buy one.
Lets take this a little further into the real world. How about hotel maids, dishwashers, grunt construction jobs,etc?How do we get Americans to do those jobs?
Pay decent wages & benefits and provide decent working conditions!!
These jobs are still done mostly by Americans. We don't need immigrants to do them. And if hotel, restaurant and home prices went up, so what? The consumer would still be better off because of lower taxes, lower crime, less traffic, less pollution, less suburban sprawl and a better quality of life.
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