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Planes vulnerable to bombs built on board, ingredients hidden in daily objects: Experts
The Hindu News ^ | August 10, 2006 | Staff

Posted on 08/10/2006 11:48:06 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

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To: weegee
First, Georgia isn't Russia.

Second, as I wrote before, of course you want to keep your eyes open for all suspicious people and activity.

But, as we try to treat everyone equally in our anti-terrorist efforts, middle-eastern young adult males continue to be the bulk of the threat.

61 posted on 08/10/2006 12:28:54 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Sir Gawain
I'm prior service as well and we were trained in improvised munitions... ways of making ordinary things "go burn or boom". Smuggling basic components on to a plane is a trivial task. A little harder to build an effective bomb from components behind the TSA security screening but not impossible.
62 posted on 08/10/2006 12:29:24 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: TChris
there simply aren't as many "blond-haired, blue-eyed"

It only takes one. I went to Europe last year with a friend. We are both blond haired and blue eyed. My hair is turning gray--two middle-age women. We seemed to hit every profile of every airport we went to. Milan, Rome, Amsterdam. And you know what? We didn't care. We took the time to go through extra searches and questionings. We figured out several of the reasons in retrospect. Something about our tickets triggered our almost not being allowed onto the plane in Milan and being put on some list. We'll never know why. But we returned home safely.

63 posted on 08/10/2006 12:29:57 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Alouette

You know, I remember that now. Quite shocking. Hope that she got along with her life. And left Pali boyfriend behind.


64 posted on 08/10/2006 12:31:12 PM PDT by twigs
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To: goalinestan

Again, the sooner the PROBLEM is resolved (eradicated) the sooner security can ease back. It is a diseased mindset.

It is a supremacist ideology that seems as happy to dominate the world as it does to tear everything down and claim victory as a martyr.


65 posted on 08/10/2006 12:32:34 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Alouette

"It's embarrassing and uncomfortable to fly naked, so the airlines will hand out identical jumpsuits and paper booties."

That's exactly what some of us at work suggested today. We even cracked up and thought about having Boeing design a tow hook on their planes so that they could hook up and drag a glider cargo unit containing all of the luggage and carry-ons. If something blows up - plane is safe. Airline would have to put up with a bunch of whiney passengers wearing their airline smocks/jumpsuits wondering what happened to their luggage. The other option would be to have airlines coordinate all of their flights so that they can charter a cargo plane to haul all of the luggage to their destination. The luggage could then be delivered or picked up at the airport within a reasonable time after the passenger flights arrive.


66 posted on 08/10/2006 12:32:36 PM PDT by Maringa
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To: twigs
It only takes one.

Correct. But that doesn't mean that every "one" is equally likely. Why not match the defense with the obvious, repeated, historically known offense?

When your team is playing against the Miami Heat, you'd better plan to double or triple-team Shaq. You know it going in. Ignoring the obvious, proven threat is simply suicide.

67 posted on 08/10/2006 12:35:44 PM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

If enough explosive can be concealed in the sole of a shoe, then we don't need no steenkin' experts to tell us the obvious. The average use-one-time-only-and-discard terrorist is expert enough.


68 posted on 08/10/2006 12:36:37 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: TChris

Yep. A policy based on "well I guess we have to check for that too" is nothing but a slow march to the grave. There's only one thing we need to check for right now: Muslim males.


69 posted on 08/10/2006 12:37:09 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: weegee
A practical start in regards to easing the time and hassle it takes to get through security is profiling plain and simple.

Hey, they can pull me out of line 9 times out of 10 if they want...I have dark eyes and I guess could pass for being of middle eastern descent when I am tan enough...if it means that old ladies, kids, and 99% of the people who are just trying to get from point A to point B can pass through security more quickly.

It will probably never happen thanks to the ACLU, but it's a solution. Who commits these crimes? That's the only question they need to ask.
70 posted on 08/10/2006 12:38:04 PM PDT by goalinestan (Build it...and they won't come (as easily))
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Just think if you were not able to take a cell phone on a plane or a laptop. From the moment you check in your luggage to the time you arrive, unload, and go to the baggage carosel, you've got nothing to work with. Also, what if your luggage gets lost, uggh. I wonder if air travel will ever be near the same.


71 posted on 08/10/2006 12:39:21 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: weegee

Well, 3k miles one way is a bit of a drive...bummer.


72 posted on 08/10/2006 12:40:25 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: TChris
Hey, I have an idea! Why not zero in on the people most likely to blow up a plane! (17-25 year old middle-eastern males)

No, better wand that baby but good; that diaper might be loaded! /sarcasm

73 posted on 08/10/2006 12:40:57 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: Alouette; Irish_Thatcherite
Abut 20 years ago, the Israelis stopped a redheaded, pregnant Irish woman from getting on a plane with a bomb that her Palestinian boyfriend put into her luggage.

I wonder if she was humming Come Out Ye Black And Tans to herself.

74 posted on 08/10/2006 12:45:58 PM PDT by jla
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

bttt


75 posted on 08/10/2006 12:46:11 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: TChris
Well here is the man with 14 prepaid phones, $4,200 , laptop with GPS software.

Were the Bali bombers Arab?

I agree profiling is fine. But don't restrict the scope of that profile.

76 posted on 08/10/2006 12:48:43 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: weegee

True, but Arabs can be easily identified by appearance. It is more difficult to guess somebody's "religion". Booting Arabs would get rid of at least 80% of the problem in this country. Let other countries worry about their problems.

And why doesn't Israel have any problems with Islamic murderers on their airlines? Maybe we should do what they do.


77 posted on 08/10/2006 12:49:24 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: lightman

Paul and Linda McCartney were known to smuggle contraband in their baby's diaper.


78 posted on 08/10/2006 12:49:47 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: wyattearp

There was a terrorist shooting at the Air Israel counter at LAX a couple years back.


79 posted on 08/10/2006 12:50:32 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: Polyxene

The flight will be nerve-racking but the cruise will be awesome! We went on a cruise to Alaska a couple years ago. Incredible!


80 posted on 08/10/2006 12:52:06 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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