Posted on 08/09/2006 6:37:46 PM PDT by neverdem
Why is it that there must always be a justification for exercising a Constitutionally protected RIGHT?
Suppose there were no data indicating that it was practical or effective? Does that mean we have no right?
This is B.S!
Arguing by citing the practical outcome of a Constitutional right is a dangerous approach to defending your rights. If the outcome is marginal or non-existent, then the argument can be made that you shouldn't have that right.
The fact is that you maintain that right because the government has been FORBIDDEN, by virtue of it's charter... the Constitution, from messing with your right. That's the only justification you need!
Period!
If there were 60 Senators who believed in the Second Amendment, you wouldn't have to worry about what should be a moot question.
Guns in a particular place can almost be made into an equation, to figure out how many, what kind, and what restrictions and regulations if any are needed.
1) Population density. The more people around, the greater risk from even controlled gun use.
2) Number of police per capita and response time. No civilian needs a gun in a courtroom during a trial. Police are everywhere. In rural Texas with one cop 75 miles away...
3) Crime rate. Only an idiot wants legal gun control where there is a sky-high crime rate.
4) Training & Licensing. The more public training available, the less worry from foolish gun use. The best reason for a license is to assert proficiency. A license should mean you are not a fool.
Add all these factors together for a given place, and you have a reasonable estimate for practical gun freedom.
Not ironically, people most for gun control are those most likely to be a risk to themselves and others if they have a gun.
BINGO.
The best reason for a license is to assert proficiency.
that is the govt for you. we{govt} will decide what is good for you.never trust the govt when it comes to the 2nd amendment or for alot of other issues for that matter
NRA & SAS Bump!
"UNCONVICTED domestic violence suspects"
They already do that, those with restraining orders (divorces), even without any violence or threats, loose their rights until the order (divorce) is over.
All felons? What about people that have restraining orders due to divorce proceedings, even without any violence/threats, loosing their rights?
Define criminals, felons/non-felons, repeat offenders of felonies/non-felonies?
Define "mentally ill"? Would you include who are having post partum(sp?) depression, how about homosexuals (they were claimed to be mentally ill), how about anorexics or bolemics (sp?)?
If you wanted to get technical, even banning felons from owning guns is unconstitutional.
The empty jails/prisons could be used for homeless and emergency shelters.
Where in the Constitution state that felons are not allowed to own firearms?
1) It's the wild west all over again, isn't it.
2) Just like they were able to stop the criminal in Atlanta that shot the judge & female officer and escaped?
3) Only an idiot wants gun control, period.
4) We had less problems years ago when there was less public training and more parents teaching gun safety, discipline, etc. A license means that you met certain criteria, just like a drivers license, but we still have fools. Also, look at all the offices and fed agents that are "trained" in gun safety, but still shoot themselves in classrooms, shoot holes in hotel walls, etc.
You are partly right about those that are for gun control and yet own guns, but not because they may shoot someone. They are a risk because they are allowing incremental steps towards the removal of all firearms from citizens.
What I meant about #1 is that while there are some major cities (high density) where there is major gun violence going, there are others that there is not. The best way to compare them is to compare the number of gun incidents per capita (per 1,000 or some other number). I would bet that DC (with the strictest of gun control laws) is higher than others that have less restrictive laws. The issue is not the guns, but the criminals. More specifically the gangs and druggies.
One could use the Thirteenth Amendment to do so constitutionally, though that would carry an implication about HCI's efforts that they might not like.
ping for later...
How? It specifically states slavery, not taking guns away from felons/criminals.
As the saying goes, "Gun control means having a tight shot group."
The reality of guns today is that we do not have enough gun culture. This public's lack of familiarity with guns creates a problem based solely on ignorance. They do not know the rules of guns, which makes them dangerous to themselves and others.
I believe that private schools should teach at least one mandatory gun safety and proficiency class, so that with the NRA classes, the Boy Scouts, the military and other such organizations, the US can maintain a higher level of gun culture.
The biggest lesson to teach the man on the street is that having a gun does not make you a godlike being. It does not make you strong, or smart, or respected, and it may even make you vulnerable to attack if you deceive yourself as to what it can do.
Just today I was reading how police have a "21-foot rule", which is the closing distance a person could make to an officer before they could unholster, take off the safety and squeeze the trigger, all else being equal. They now believe that 21 feet isn't enough distance.
But how many people on the street would know this, or all the other important tips a gun expert should know?
Gun freedom is not just walking into a store and walking out with a gun, any more than an untrained 16-year-old should be given a car and expected to know how to drive.
But unlike with cars, there are public training classes all the time, to teach people how to use their gun. There just needs to be a lot more of them, and of better quality.
The licensing of concealed weapons has been a smashing success, not because the license has kept criminals and kooks from having concealed weapons, which it has, but because it has given much needed training to people who have learned from that training, *and* encouraged more and more people to carry concealed weapons.
Sure, someday those same licenses may be used against the legal gun owners; but for the time being it is increasing their numbers, training them, and taking a big bite out of crime. And *that* is gun freedom.
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