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United States justice statistics show Americans need firearms
2nd Amendment News ^ | 8/7/2006 | John Snyder

Posted on 08/09/2006 6:37:46 PM PDT by neverdem

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United States justice statistics show Americans need firearms for defense of life and property, says gun law expert

“An analysis of crime figures released Sunday by the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics indicates that law-abiding Americans should continue to enjoy legal access to the possession and use of firearms,” gun law expert John M. Snyder said here this morning.

“If anything, this access should be strengthened for the good of citizens and the safety of society,” he added.

According to the justice report, 56 percent of the violent felons convicted in the nation’s 75 most populous counties from 1990 through 2002 had a prior conviction record, 38 percent had a prior felony conviction and 15 percent had been previously convicted for a violent felony.

Thirty-six percent of the violent felons had a least one active criminal status at the time of their arrest, including 18 percent on probation, 12 percent on release pending disposition of a prior case and seven percent on parole.

“What these numbers show, for the umpteenth time,” observed Snyder, “is that there is a violent criminal class in our country. Law-abiding people have to be able to protect themselves and their families and their property from these thugs. In order to be able to do this, they need access to the tools with which to do it. There is no better self-defense instrument than a gun, in particular a handgun.

“People who seek to deny citizens this access, no matter how well-intended they may be, and whether they come from political, academic, professional, business, media or ecclesiastical backgrounds, in reality work against the true interests of law-abiding citizens and in favor of the nefarious interests of the criminal class. To be blunt, they are allies of the violent criminal class. At some point, they’re bound to get what’s coming to them.”

Snyder pointed out that, “at present, there are a number of proposals in Congress and in state legislatures to loosen current legal restrictions on the individual Second Amendment civil right of law-abiding American citizens to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes. One of the most significant of these is a congressional proposal to free law-abiding residents of our Nation’s Capital from the draconian gun control system to which they have been subjected for 30 years. It’s time to overturn the D.C. gun law and allow law-abiding citizens in Washington, D.C. to own and carry handguns to protect themselves and their loved ones from the reign of violent crime that hand-wringing local officials seem incapable of effectively confronting.

“There are a number of other proposals on deck at various stages for congressional consideration, including more than one to prohibit the use of federal funds for confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens during times of public disaster. Congress should act favorably on them.”

“Guns save lives,” Snyder said, “and a number of scholarly studies, such as one conducted by Gary Kleck of Florida State University, and another conducted by John Lott of the American Enterprise Institute, clearly demonstrate this. Easing legal access to firearms for law-abiding private citizens correlates with precipitous decreases in rates of violent crime. It’s time public policy reflected this truth.”

A former Associate Editor of The American Rifleman, official monthly journal of the National Rifle Association, Snyder is Public Affairs Director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Public Information Officer of the American Federation of Police and Concerned Citizens, Treasurer of the Second Amendment Foundation, and Chairman of the St. Gabriel Possenti Society, Inc.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
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To: neverdem

Why is it that there must always be a justification for exercising a Constitutionally protected RIGHT?

Suppose there were no data indicating that it was practical or effective? Does that mean we have no right?

This is B.S!

Arguing by citing the practical outcome of a Constitutional right is a dangerous approach to defending your rights. If the outcome is marginal or non-existent, then the argument can be made that you shouldn't have that right.

The fact is that you maintain that right because the government has been FORBIDDEN, by virtue of it's charter... the Constitution, from messing with your right. That's the only justification you need!

Period!


21 posted on 08/09/2006 8:47:14 PM PDT by HannagansBride
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To: El Gato
Think they'd rule that way with respect to any other right?

If there were 60 Senators who believed in the Second Amendment, you wouldn't have to worry about what should be a moot question.

22 posted on 08/09/2006 8:52:43 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Guns in a particular place can almost be made into an equation, to figure out how many, what kind, and what restrictions and regulations if any are needed.

1) Population density. The more people around, the greater risk from even controlled gun use.
2) Number of police per capita and response time. No civilian needs a gun in a courtroom during a trial. Police are everywhere. In rural Texas with one cop 75 miles away...
3) Crime rate. Only an idiot wants legal gun control where there is a sky-high crime rate.
4) Training & Licensing. The more public training available, the less worry from foolish gun use. The best reason for a license is to assert proficiency. A license should mean you are not a fool.

Add all these factors together for a given place, and you have a reasonable estimate for practical gun freedom.

Not ironically, people most for gun control are those most likely to be a risk to themselves and others if they have a gun.


23 posted on 08/09/2006 9:19:29 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: neverdem

BINGO.


24 posted on 08/09/2006 9:34:45 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Popocatapetl

The best reason for a license is to assert proficiency.



Perhaps. But why not license screwdrivers and ceiling fans? All just technology and we have ways to make you proficient....

The licensing paves the way for seizure. It's standard procedure for those who intend to outlaw Citizen guns.


25 posted on 08/09/2006 9:49:33 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: elkfersupper

that is the govt for you. we{govt} will decide what is good for you.never trust the govt when it comes to the 2nd amendment or for alot of other issues for that matter


26 posted on 08/09/2006 9:53:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Ladysmith

NRA & SAS Bump!


27 posted on 08/10/2006 8:17:44 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: newfarm4000n

"UNCONVICTED domestic violence suspects"

They already do that, those with restraining orders (divorces), even without any violence or threats, loose their rights until the order (divorce) is over.


28 posted on 08/10/2006 9:11:11 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: rwgal

All felons? What about people that have restraining orders due to divorce proceedings, even without any violence/threats, loosing their rights?


29 posted on 08/10/2006 9:13:52 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: piytar

Define criminals, felons/non-felons, repeat offenders of felonies/non-felonies?


30 posted on 08/10/2006 9:15:44 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: piytar

Define "mentally ill"? Would you include who are having post partum(sp?) depression, how about homosexuals (they were claimed to be mentally ill), how about anorexics or bolemics (sp?)?


31 posted on 08/10/2006 9:18:46 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: newfarm4000n

If you wanted to get technical, even banning felons from owning guns is unconstitutional.


32 posted on 08/10/2006 9:21:12 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

The empty jails/prisons could be used for homeless and emergency shelters.


33 posted on 08/10/2006 9:24:14 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Where in the Constitution state that felons are not allowed to own firearms?


34 posted on 08/10/2006 9:25:51 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Popocatapetl

1) It's the wild west all over again, isn't it.

2) Just like they were able to stop the criminal in Atlanta that shot the judge & female officer and escaped?

3) Only an idiot wants gun control, period.

4) We had less problems years ago when there was less public training and more parents teaching gun safety, discipline, etc. A license means that you met certain criteria, just like a drivers license, but we still have fools. Also, look at all the offices and fed agents that are "trained" in gun safety, but still shoot themselves in classrooms, shoot holes in hotel walls, etc.

You are partly right about those that are for gun control and yet own guns, but not because they may shoot someone. They are a risk because they are allowing incremental steps towards the removal of all firearms from citizens.


35 posted on 08/10/2006 9:40:29 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: Popocatapetl

What I meant about #1 is that while there are some major cities (high density) where there is major gun violence going, there are others that there is not. The best way to compare them is to compare the number of gun incidents per capita (per 1,000 or some other number). I would bet that DC (with the strictest of gun control laws) is higher than others that have less restrictive laws. The issue is not the guns, but the criminals. More specifically the gangs and druggies.


36 posted on 08/10/2006 9:48:20 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn
If you wanted to get technical, even banning felons from owning guns is unconstitutional.

One could use the Thirteenth Amendment to do so constitutionally, though that would carry an implication about HCI's efforts that they might not like.

37 posted on 08/10/2006 3:22:48 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Oberon

ping for later...


38 posted on 08/10/2006 3:26:23 PM PDT by Oberon (As a matter of fact I DO want fries with that.)
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To: supercat

How? It specifically states slavery, not taking guns away from felons/criminals.


39 posted on 08/10/2006 5:49:37 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn

As the saying goes, "Gun control means having a tight shot group."

The reality of guns today is that we do not have enough gun culture. This public's lack of familiarity with guns creates a problem based solely on ignorance. They do not know the rules of guns, which makes them dangerous to themselves and others.

I believe that private schools should teach at least one mandatory gun safety and proficiency class, so that with the NRA classes, the Boy Scouts, the military and other such organizations, the US can maintain a higher level of gun culture.

The biggest lesson to teach the man on the street is that having a gun does not make you a godlike being. It does not make you strong, or smart, or respected, and it may even make you vulnerable to attack if you deceive yourself as to what it can do.

Just today I was reading how police have a "21-foot rule", which is the closing distance a person could make to an officer before they could unholster, take off the safety and squeeze the trigger, all else being equal. They now believe that 21 feet isn't enough distance.

But how many people on the street would know this, or all the other important tips a gun expert should know?

Gun freedom is not just walking into a store and walking out with a gun, any more than an untrained 16-year-old should be given a car and expected to know how to drive.

But unlike with cars, there are public training classes all the time, to teach people how to use their gun. There just needs to be a lot more of them, and of better quality.

The licensing of concealed weapons has been a smashing success, not because the license has kept criminals and kooks from having concealed weapons, which it has, but because it has given much needed training to people who have learned from that training, *and* encouraged more and more people to carry concealed weapons.

Sure, someday those same licenses may be used against the legal gun owners; but for the time being it is increasing their numbers, training them, and taking a big bite out of crime. And *that* is gun freedom.


40 posted on 08/10/2006 7:09:20 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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