8/9 Middle East Live Thread

The Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/9/06 | BurbankKarl

[BurbankKarl]

A Palestinian militant fires toward Israeli troops during an arrest raid in the West Bank village of Qabatiyeh near Jenin, Tuesday, Aug. 8, 2006. Four Palestinians were wounded when the army arrested an Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades militant, Palestinians sources said.

[DCPatriot]

Let's just hope the Hezbollah is civilized enough to keep them away from the front...for future bargaining chips.

[wildcatf4f3]

One calls oneself a socialist while out of power

[AliVeritas]

Here are the buildings, the times in publication and the captions (which makes them even better).
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php


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No need to send to your mail, I did it already.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago



JERUSALEM - Israel has put its massive new ground offensive into southern Lebanon on hold for two or three days to give the U.N. Security Council more time to come to an agreement on a cease-fire, an Israeli Cabinet minister and senior officials said Thursday.



Israel's Security Cabinet on Wednesday approved an expanded ground offensive in Lebanon, but Prime Minister Ehud Olmert decided to put the campaign on hold temporarily to see whether diplomatic efforts will produce results, a senior Israeli government official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

Asked by Israel Radio about the delay, Cabinet minister Rafi Eitan said: "There are diplomatic considerations. There is still a chance that an international force will arrive in he area. We have no interest in being in south Lebanon. We have an interest in peace on our borders."

The United Nations has been under tremendous pressure to agree quickly on a cease-fire to end the fighting that has caused widespread destruction across southern Lebanon and forced hundreds of thousands of Israelis into bomb shelters. Israeli officials implied they would halt the new offensive if a cease-fire agreement removes Hezbollah from the border.

Diplomatic efforts to reach a quick U.N. resolution have faltered over differences between Washington and Paris on an Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon. France backed Lebanon's call for Israeli troops to pull out once hostilities end, while the United States supported Israel's insistence on staying until a robust international force is deployed. Lebanon has offered to send troops to patrol the border region.

Despite the delay in the offensive, Israeli troops, backed by tanks and armored vehicles, entered several southern Lebanese towns early Thursday and took up positions, witnesses said.

Hezbollah said its guerrillas were engaged in "a violent confrontation" with Israeli forces whose tanks tried to advance toward the border town of Khiam, the group's Al-Manar television reported. Israel Army Radio reported that heavy battles were in progress in south Lebanese villages across from Israel's Galilee panhandle, hard hit by rockets.

No further information was immediately available.

The new advances came a day after Israel suffered its highest death toll in a single day, with 15 soldiers killed. The fighting has killed at least 829 people on both sides.

The dispute between the co-sponsors of the draft Security Council resolution — France and the U.S. — sparked a flurry of meetings Wednesday and raised the possibility of rival U.S. and French resolutions — or no resolution at all for the time being.

The White House said Wednesday neither Israel nor Hezbollah should escalate their war. Press secretary Tony Snow said the U.S. message was for both sides.

French President Jacques Chirac appealed for rapid agreement.

"The most immoral of solutions would be to accept the current situation and give up on an immediate cease-fire," he said.

In a televised speech, meanwhile, Hezbollah's leader taunted the Israelis.

"If you enter our land, we will throw you out by force and we will turn the land of our invaluable south into your graveyard," Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said. "We will be waiting for you at every village, at every valley. Thousands of courageous holy warriors are waiting for you."

Nasrallah rejected a draft U.N. resolution that would temporarily let Israeli troops remain in south Lebanon and take defensive action.

"The least we can describe this (draft resolution) is as unfair and unjust. It has given Israel more than it wanted and more than it was looking for," he said. He also signaled Hezbollah's intention to step up attacks, calling on Israeli Arabs to leave the northern city of Haifa so Hezbollah could pound it with rockets and not worry about killing fellow Muslims.

Israel's expanded ground offensive would seek to force Hezbollah guerrillas — and their short-range rockets — out of southern Lebanon and past the Litani River, about 18 miles north of the border. If successful, it would leave Israel in control of a security zone that it evacuated six years ago after a bloody 18-year occupation.

Israeli officials said Wednesday before the delay that the new offensive was meant to run parallel to the cease-fire talks.

"Israel is still working for a diplomatic solution, preferably in the Security Council," said Isaac Herzog, a member of Israel's Security Cabinet, which voted Wednesday to approve the new ground offensive. "We cannot wait forever, we have a million civilians living in bomb shelters, and we have to protect them."

Other officials said privately that the offensive was aimed at pushing the Security Council to take fast action, as well as to clear Hezbollah from south Lebanon.

"The Israeli decision today is taken in absence of concrete steps by the international community to deal with the situation in Lebanon. Such steps would of course make an Israeli military operation superfluous," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "Israel understands fully that the real solution is diplomatic."

Before the Cabinet decision, fighting intensified in the border strip that 10,000 Israeli troops were already occupying four miles into southern Lebanon.

Fifteen Israeli soldiers were killed Wednesday, the military said, the highest one-day total in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict. Nine died when Hezbollah anti-tank rockets hit a building and one was killed by an Israeli tank shell, the military said. The military said 38 soldiers were wounded in battles across south Lebanon.

Israel also hit Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp with an airstrike, killing at least two people. Israeli attacks Wednesday killed eight Lebanese civilians, according to Lebanese officials, and three guerrillas, according to Hezbollah.

An Israeli TV station, quoting unidentified sources, said Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers were among the Hezbollah dead. The Israeli military was unable to confirm the report. Israel has charged that Iran is aiding Hezbollah on the ground as well as supplying the guerrillas with weapons. Iran has denied the charges.

Israeli warplanes also dropped leaflets over the southern port city of Tyre and over Beirut proper for the first time. The fliers criticized Nasrallah, saying he was "playing with fire" and that the Lebanese people were "paying the price."

Hezbollah fired at least 170 rockets into Israel on Wednesday, the army said.

Since the fighting began, at least 711 people have died on the Lebanese side of the conflict. The Israeli death toll stood at 118, including 36 civilians and 82 soldiers.

Israel's Security Cabinet was told a new offensive could mean 100 to 200 more military deaths, according to a participant. Military officials said it would take the army several days to reach the Litani and then several more weeks to rid that area of Hezbollah's fighters and rocket launchers.

"The assessment is (the new offensive) will last 30 days," said Trade Minister Eli Yishai, a member of the Security Cabinet who abstained from the vote. "I think it will take a lot longer."

The offensive was expected to eliminate 70-80 percent of Hezbollah's short-range rocket launchers, senior military officials said.

The offensive was approved 9-0, with three abstentions at an intense six-hour meeting. During the meeting, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, and they spoke for half an hour, Israeli officials said. Upon his return to the room, Olmert told the ministers the offensive would be accompanied by a diplomatic initiative.

The government's decision came two days after Lebanon offered to send 15,000 soldiers to patrol the border region, a key Israeli demand intended to prevent attacks on Israel. The current fighting began when Hezbollah fighters crossed into Israel on July 12, killing three soldiers and capturing two others.

In a major shift, Nasrallah said Hezbollah supported a deployment by the Lebanese army after a cease-fire is declared and Israel leaves.

Israeli officials remained skeptical of the Lebanese offer and were not convinced Lebanon's army would take concrete action to stop Hezbollah attacks.

"It is important that the Lebanese army will be accompanied by an international force that will enable it to reach the south in an organized manner, and to leave the place clean of Hezbollah," Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said.

Some soldiers said Israel was having trouble controlling even the small strip it was already occupying.

"The biggest problem is still the existence of Hezbollah fighters all over the place, even though we have most of the territory under control," said Maj. Avi Ortal, an officer in a reserve brigade in southwestern Lebanon.

"Hezbollah are good fighters. They know the territory. They live there and they have had six years to build compounds," he said.

The fight is over. Our worthless US Congress has made the call. I am sickened.

[AliVeritas]

Oh, I call Wailing Girl... Burka Betty or Burka Lady... I figured I see so much of them... might as well name them.

[musicman]

"ok, ITS LATE, AND i KNOW THAT,... but just for fun...am I the ONLY one that thinks that Aussie reporter on CNN has a nose with its own zipcode?" Yeah and it bends to the left......"

After watching him for at least a month now, IMHO, I have come to the conclusion from listening to his "angle" of reporting, and the bend to the left of his nose, leads me to believe that everyone who had a chance to apply any coporal disipline to him in his life,(both parents and grandparents, teachers etc) were all probably left handed.

....and IMHO, his parents are sorry as he grew, that the choice of Jonathan as his first name was a mistake, when Mike would have been a more descriptive choice.

[musicman]

"ok, ITS LATE, AND i KNOW THAT,... but just for fun...am I the ONLY one that thinks that Aussie reporter on CNN has a nose with its own zipcode?" Yeah and it bends to the left......"

After watching him for at least a month now, IMHO, I have come to the conclusion from listening Jonathan Hunt, his "angle" of reporting, and the bend to the left of his nose, leads me to believe that everyone who had a chance to apply any coporal disipline to him in his life,(both parents and grandparents, teachers etc) were all probably left handed.

....and IMHO, his parents are sorry as he grew, that the choice of Jonathan as his first name was a mistake, when Mike would have been a more descriptive choice.

[unfortunately a bluestater]

What you say also makes a lot of sense.

What's a shame is that Israeli soldiers go to great lengths to save Lebanese civilians'lives---at times, to the point of losing, or risking losing, their own---and they are still vilified by the world press. The actions described in the article linked in 1740 above speak for themselves. The Israeli military is heroic.

[jeffers]

Right now, linear island hopping, finishing up with a big bang, looks pretty good.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

News here:

'Plot to blow up planes' foiled [UK TERROR THREAT LEVEL RAISED TO IMMINENT]

[cookcounty]

" Israel has put its massive new ground offensive into southern Lebanon on hold for two or three days to give the U.N. Security Council more time to come to an agreement on a cease-fire, an Israeli Cabinet minister and senior officials said Thursday. "

They also {concidentally} will need 2=3 days to ( finally) mobilize the reserves.

[jeltz25]

It would seem to me that Hezbollah could not survive for long without it's Syrian and Iranian sponsors.

Hezbollah in many ways in a modern day NVA, although not as large and well equipped. The NVA was kept in business by the PRC and the USSR, and HB is kept in business by Iran and Syria. As long as the guys behind the curtain remain open, there will only be stops and starts and no real decisive outcome.

IOW, even if Israel were to completely crush HB and move to the Litani, it would merely be a setback for HB, not a defeat. They will continue to be resupplied by Iran and Syria and any losses will be made good within 6 months-1 year.

Until Iran and Syria are removed from the picture, nothing will really change.

Syria is a lot closer to the current action than Iran.

[jeffers]

Global security has all the data you'd wish for, including step by step overheads for Natanz.

I'm too tired to look it up right now, but 67 feet rings strong bells in the old memory banks. of course, different failities are at different depths, but if ever I saw a centrifuge hall, Natanz is it.

One of them anyway, there are rumors of identical facilities under mountains north of Tehran, we'd either have to leverage the human ancilliary facilities to render them inop, or put boots on the ground there.

Or...well we don't do things like that, do we?

[conservativepoet]

changing topics for just a second:

'Plot to blow up planes' foiled [UK TERROR THREAT LEVEL RAISED TO IMMINENT]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1680953/posts

[jeffers]

This being an ongoing operation, I'd like to comment but will refrain.

[jeffers]

Blat, hmmm?

Interesting.

[SoCalPol]

Burka Betty or Burka Lady

Those are good too. It is all so crazy you almost have to
name them to be believed.

[jeffers]

Momma's home cooking?

[conservativepoet]

I'm reading that Scotland Yard does not know if they caught all the terrorists. Guess that's why they raised the terrorist alert to imminent. Isn't that the highest alert? Sorry for off topic.

[SoCalPol]

A major terrorist plot to blow up planes in mid-flight has been disrupted


Wow, this is far from over.