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No Proof in Pence How many ways can you say “amnesty”?
NRO ^ | Aug. 8, 2006 | John Fonte

Posted on 08/08/2006 1:09:48 PM PDT by conservativecorner

Once again, Tamar Jacoby and Cesar Conda have demonstrated that they are not serious either about protecting the United States from terrorists or about assimilating immigrants. (See “Immigration Realism.”)

Among their criticisms directed at me, they condescendingly dismiss what they take to be my “outmoded ideas about enforcement” — and specifically, the measure permitting local police to check the immigration status of those who violate civil law.

I admit it: along with many others — notably John Ashcroft's chief immigration-enforcement official, Kris W. Kobach — I believe that local police should have the authority to check a future Mohammed Atta’s immigration status. Remember that four of the 9/11 terrorists were stopped for speeding, but their illegal-immigration status was not checked. Jacoby and Conda and the Senate would strip this essential tool from local law enforcement, pretending to live in a September 10 world. Five years after 9/11, maybe it is “outmoded” of me to worry so much about such thing.

Put-downs are one thing, but dissembling is quite another. Jacoby and Conda’s claim that my article “never mentions” workforce enforcement is simply false. The very first paragraph of the article, quoting an open letter on immigration from conservatives, insists that “the border and interior enforcement must be funded, operational, implemented, and proven successful” (emphasis added), and the letter that started this all itself explicitly states, “Today, we need proof that enforcement (both at the border and in the interior) is successful before anything else happens.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1busydeaniac; aliens; dailywhine; longknives; slander
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1 posted on 08/08/2006 1:09:50 PM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Has this idiot actually put pen to paper and written a bill?


2 posted on 08/08/2006 1:23:33 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector; conservativecorner
I'm not sure who you're calling an "idiot." If it's Fonte, his article gives several suggestions, aside from the Mo Atta example given above:

Jacoby and Conda claim that they are all for assimilating immigrants as patriotic Americans. That’s a great idea, but I have offered them specific measures: to wit, dismantle the anti-assimilation agenda of the last few decades by ending bilingual ballots, bilingual education, ethnic and racial group preferences for new immigrants, and dual allegiance citizenship for naturalized Americans.

Sounds sensible (and obvious) to me.

3 posted on 08/08/2006 1:37:59 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: conservativecorner

as far as I've been able to tell the pence bill has been trying to do an end run around the house. It excites bush and the white house. therefor its a non starter.


4 posted on 08/08/2006 2:01:28 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: conservativecorner
Sadly, if Pence-Hutchison becomes law, this farcical show that elites of both the Right and Left put on for the American people will continue. And that's the whole point of the “comprehensive” plan — pretend to have tough enforcement while exponentially increasing the supply of cheap labor (which the rest of us subsidize in taxes, health, and education costs) for the sake of special interests.

This is, in a nutshell, what The Establishment wants, and they won't stop trying to get it no matter what.

5 posted on 08/08/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Marine Inspector
"Has this idiot actually put pen to paper and written a bill?"

I trust you are refering to Pence as the "idiot?" Because if not, and you mean Fonte, either (1) you are a W apologist or did not take time to read the article.

6 posted on 08/08/2006 2:09:37 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

I'm talking about Pence and his plan.

Most Congressmen write bills. Pence writes plans.

I guess writing a bill is a little complicated for him.


7 posted on 08/08/2006 7:08:02 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

You've turned into a one-trick pony. Sad.


8 posted on 08/08/2006 7:10:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Marine Inspector

Mike Pence has no immigration bill. He has a scheme/scam/sham that's evolving


9 posted on 08/08/2006 7:10:48 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: dennisw
He has a scheme/scam/sham that's evolving

That's a fact.

10 posted on 08/08/2006 7:16:10 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: dennisw
He has a scheme/scam/sham that's evolving

That's a fact.

11 posted on 08/08/2006 7:16:10 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: dennisw
He has a scheme/scam/sham that's evolving

That's a fact.

12 posted on 08/08/2006 7:16:11 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector

It wasn't me!


13 posted on 08/08/2006 7:17:54 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: sinkspur
Yep, I'm concerned about the single most important issue of our time.
14 posted on 08/08/2006 7:19:06 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Yep, I'm concerned about the single most important issue of our time.

Well, you're in a distinct minority who think that way. But, to each his own.

15 posted on 08/08/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Marine Inspector; All

That's the fact jack!!!


16 posted on 08/08/2006 7:24:10 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
"...dual allegiance citizenship for naturalized Americans."

How do you end dual citizenship for some citizens and allow it for others?

If you do that, you are in fact creating a second-class citizenship.

Either no citizen can, or all can.

17 posted on 08/08/2006 7:24:29 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Marine Inspector

The whole point:

WHO THE HELL NEEDS A BILL?

There are MORE than enough laws on the books, which IF ever enforced, would negate ANY need for yet another worthless pile of words on the books.


18 posted on 08/08/2006 7:59:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
WHO THE HELL NEEDS A BILL?

Agreed!

19 posted on 08/08/2006 8:02:33 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: sinkspur; Marine Inspector
Well, you're in a distinct minority who think that way. But, to each his own.

Sink you know that is blatantly false, especially among freepers.

I will again predict the Republicans will pay a price for this immigration mess, and the fault lays directly at GW's feet.

20 posted on 08/08/2006 8:17:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (The home of the Free, Because of the Brave (Shamelessly stolen from a Marine))
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