Posted on 08/07/2006 6:38:14 PM PDT by kellynla
"I heard a former PLO terrorist say that Americans still don't recognize the danger we are in from the Islamic terrorists. "
Many are right here on this forum. They'd prefer continuing to treat something the President calls World War III as a law enforcement exercise..... which is how Clinton treated it, by the way.
You're trying to change the topic, so let's get back on point. I'll make it easy and pose the question specifically to you and you alone:
To which major religion does the vast majority of terrorists adhere?I look forward to reading your feedback.
~ Blue Jays ~
Most Americans probably think the Islamic terrorists declared war on the United States Sept. 11, 2001.
Actually, it started a long time before – right from the birth of the nation.
In 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were commissioned by the first Congress to assemble in Paris to see about marketing U.S. products in Europe.
Jefferson quickly surmised that the biggest challenge facing U.S. merchant ships were those referred to euphemistically as "Barbary pirates."
They weren't "pirates" at all, in the traditional sense, Jefferson noticed. They didn't drink and chase women and they really weren't out to strike it rich. Instead, their motivation was strictly religious. They bought and sold slaves, to be sure. They looted ships. But they used their booty to buy guns, ships, cannon and ammunition.
Like those we call "terrorists" today, they saw themselves engaged in jihad and called themselves "mujahiddin."
Why did these 18th-century terrorists represent such a grave threat to U.S. merchant ships? With independence from Great Britain, the former colonists lost the protection of the greatest navy in the world. The U.S. had no navy – not a single warship.
Jefferson inquired of his European hosts how they dealt with the problem. He was stunned to find out that France and England both paid tribute to the fiends – who would, in turn, use the money to expand their own armada, buy more weaponry, hijack more commercial ships, enslave more innocent civilians and demand greater ransom.
This didn't make sense to Jefferson. He recognized the purchase of peace from the Muslims only worked temporarily. They would always find an excuse to break an agreement, blame the Europeans and demand higher tribute.
After three months researching the history of militant Islam, he came up with a very different policy to deal with the terrorists. But he didn't get to implement until years later.
As the first secretary of state, Jefferson urged the building of a navy to rescue American hostages held in North Africa and to deter future attacks on U.S. ships. In 1792, he commissioned John Paul Jones to go to Algiers under the guise of diplomatic negotiations, but with the real intent of sizing up a future target of a naval attack.
Jefferson was ready to retire a year later when what could only be described as "America's first Sept. 11" happened.
America was struck with its first mega-terror attack by jihadists. In the fall of 1793, the Algerians seized 11 U.S. merchant ships and enslaved more than 100 Americans.
When word of the attack reached New York, the stock market crashed. Voyages were canceled in every major port. Seamen were thrown out of work. Ship suppliers went out of business. What Sept. 11 did to the U.S. economy in 2001, the mass shipjacking of 1793 did to the fledgling U.S. economy in that year.
Accordingly, it took the U.S. Congress only four months to decide to build a fleet of warships.
But even then, Congress didn't choose war, as Jefferson prescribed. Instead, while building what would become the U.S. Navy, Congress sent diplomats to reason with the Algerians. The U.S. ended up paying close to $1 million and giving the pasha of Algiers a new warship, "The Crescent," to win release of 85 surviving American hostages.
It wasn't until 1801, under the presidency of Jefferson, that the U.S. engaged in what became a four-year war against Tripoli. And it wasn't until 1830, when France occupied Algiers, and later Tunisia and Morocco, that the terrorism on the high seas finally ended.
France didn't leave North Africa until 1962 – and it quickly became a major base of terrorism once again.
What's the moral of the story? Appeasement never works. Jefferson saw it. Sept. 11 was hardly the beginning. The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history. It's time to learn from history, not repeat its mistakes.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38200
Extremely interesting research BUMP!
More importantly, Islam has made itself hostile to all other belief systems. Indeed, a true follower of Islam must adhere to the choice that system teaches where it interfaces with others: they must convert, they must submit or they must die.
Islam means *submit*. Islam forces itself on others. Just because some followers of this religion cannot bring themselves to shed the blood of others does not in any way lessen how dangerous Islam is.
Will you convert, submit or die? Islam demands that you choose.
Way back in the 1980s my company developed a neural net chip that could be trained to recognize an individual face. Before the first Gulf War, I came up with the idea of "human-specific munitions" to drop on Iraq that would be programmed to explode in the direction of Saddam's face. This seemed like a great idea until we realized that the mines would detonate towards any PHOTO or statue of Saddam of which there were many. Kind of a new twist on "Screw you and everybody who looks like you".
Bush should have secured both borders after 9/11, closed ALL mosques(which are nothing more than criminal enterprises hiding under the label of places of worship) and deported ALL illegals and muslims.
Anyone who doesn't believe this is a world war and the beginning of the 21st Century Crusades is not paying attention. The muslims want all nonmuslims D...E...A...D !
No "ifs", "buts" or "ands" about it!
"And yet, somehow, I don't feel safer. I don't know if that's because our borders are still easy to cross, or people would rather rely on cameras or what."
It's a matter of open borders and the allowance of our enemies to operate freely throughout America.
After the next 9/11 terrorist attack and it's not a matter of "if" but "when"; Bush can bend over and kiss his "legacy" goodbye. And then we can get down to seriously waging the WOT and defeating our enemies.
"Islam is a militant political and social movement."
You are too kind.
Islam is nothing more than a terrorist organization which is at war with every religion in the world.
"I'm sure glad the Founding Fathers didn't see it that way."
you have some homework to do regarding our "Founding Fathers" and islam. You can start with post#63
Of course, you're correct. I just wasn't my usual vitriolic self when I wrote that. All followers of islam have been deluded into believing that this demon they call "allah" is God and the consequences which follow are enormous. I happen to believe that we should be closing their mosques and deporting as many as possible as quickly as possible. They mean us nothing but harm.
The fact that our government refuses to do what must be done not only in this matter, but also in regards to the invaders from across our southern border, will result in violence and bloodshed of a sort that has not been seen in America at least since the Civil War.
We should always look for a third choice but sometimes we have to risk or even give our lives for our principles as Christians and/or Americans.
There are principles and there is reality. The reality is that we can become prisoners in the Islamic world ghetto, or we can clean house and live free like men and women should.
Very well put. The whole point of religious freedom in the US is that we don't kill or deport people just for their religious beliefs. I guess we COULD do that but then we'd just be the Christian Iran... Awesome!
Religous freedom does not encompass religious stupidity.
this ir religious stupidity.
I don't think we have to sacrifice either. Any muslim (lower case intended) with a green card should have his visa canceled immediately. Those who attend mosques (again lower case intended),and are citizens, that preach hate and jihad should be watched very closely.
Why?
One can watch a pitbull but the reality is that it will bite and kill. Those who preach mayhem against the States should be imprisoned
Only if you actually believe Islam is just a religion and not also a menacing political ideology with enormously dangerous adherents.
>>you best begin to understand you cannot afford 'principles' when dealing with those who have NONE---our present attitude of 'better than thou' is going to get many Americans dead before we are finished with Islam<<
So you advocate having no princples, in this case? I can't do that - I'm a Christian and a believer in our constitution.
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