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I believe most "anti-zionism" is plain old Jew-hating. Here we have a popular magazine now saying Israel is a "mistake".

How many other countries have been created out of whole cloth since WW1, with rivaling populations? Only Israel remains a controversy, it seems.

This article may be a watermark in our culture of capitulation to Jihadis and backwards, violent Arab cultures.

1 posted on 08/06/2006 2:27:40 PM PDT by dangerfield
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Kurt Anderson is associated with NPR.


2 posted on 08/06/2006 2:31:58 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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Israel was not carved out of Arab lands. Rather, the Jewish homeland was partioned to give more land to Arabs.

Why was Israel selected as Jewish Homeland? It has something to do with thousands of years history, and somewhat to do with Jews bought the land from Turkey (which had most of the titles) as they were kicked out of their home countries.

As the Jews moved into a wasteland, they developed it, and Arabs moved in to take advantage of the job opportunities thus created.


3 posted on 08/06/2006 2:32:11 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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It isn't about land. It's all about Arab/Muslim hate and quest for power.

If Israel did not exist the "Muslim world" would still be making war with the west. It is simply not compatible with modern civilized society. Wherever the two meet they are at war with it.
4 posted on 08/06/2006 2:34:57 PM PDT by DB (©)
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"...the new democratic contagion emboldens them to become more impossible than ever; Israel, having tried walking away from its enemies and some of its victims in Lebanon and Gaza, is victimized by rockets and kidnappings. What are the Hebrew and Arabic for “No good deed goes unpunished”?"

What a hoot. I know he's refering to the election of Hamas, and the insidious, Iranian backed social services/Capone like prestige that led to Hez Ebolas' election victories. But it wasn't "democracy" that got us where we are. It was Israel's showing signs of weakness, period. They withdrew and into the vaccum of course, the terrorists moved.

5 posted on 08/06/2006 2:35:42 PM PDT by dangerfield
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This article started out badly by endorsing the hypothesis invented by Al Gore. But then it got worse.


6 posted on 08/06/2006 2:40:01 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one (Democratic) party press)
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"Arab land"? Pre 1948 there were upwards of a million jews scattered throughout the middle east. Was their land, the property they owned and the houses and businesses situated thereon Arab land? Did the hundreds of thousands Arabs who began flocking to present day Israel since the late 1800s/early 1900s to reap the benefits of a small but burgeoning jewish created economy and desert which they made bloom all of a sudden become "Arab land"?

The author's first cited authority is Richard Cohen...that speaks volumes. New Yorker Magazine...hahahaha


8 posted on 08/06/2006 2:46:13 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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In general, not a bad article, allowing for the leftist bias. There are no easy answers in the Middle East.

Some factual errors.

Syria and Hamas (and most of the Palestinians) are Sunni

Actually, the Syrian regime is controlled by Shi'ites. A splinter group that even other Shi'ites consider weird.

is there any Hillaryesque Democrat who would cheer retroactively about our Christian nation and its Army of the West defending white settlers by exterminating Native Americans?

For a group that was exterminated, there seem to be quite a few of them around.

I contend that words like "exterminate" should not be used casually.

10 posted on 08/06/2006 2:55:46 PM PDT by Restorer
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11 posted on 08/06/2006 3:05:19 PM PDT by fso301
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"....the Israeli Defense Forces are killing civilians, dozens a day, in Lebanon. All of those deaths, one wants to believe, are unintentional"

One wants to believe? It should be obvious that if Israel targeted civilians there'd be tens of thousands of them dead by now.

The Left's deep hatred for both America and Israel rivals that of the Jihadis.

12 posted on 08/06/2006 3:11:48 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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The Haters are either trying to hedge their bets with the head sawyers or want in on that crazed barbarian, polygamy, boy sex action.


13 posted on 08/06/2006 3:34:02 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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Wasn't Adnan Hajj, the photographer whose photo was used to dramatize this article, fired for doctoring bombing photos. That seems a real "inconvenient truth" to me.
19 posted on 08/06/2006 4:14:41 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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...maybe the most salient analogy, however, is not fantasy attacks on America in 2006 but our Indian Wars of 1876—and is there any Hillaryesque Democrat who would cheer retroactively about our Christian nation and its Army of the West defending white settlers by exterminating Native Americans?

Funny how no one in late 19th Century USA worried about the American Indian STREET and how our war may affect our enemies' attitudes. Neither did Sherman worry about the "Confederate Street" as he marched to the sea, neither did Truman worry about the Japanese STREET prior to dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And funny how none of these "Streets" came back to bother us again after the wars were over.

Today we lament what happened to the American Indians as we burn $3/gallon gas riding to their casinos. Say what you like, but our ancestors understood the cruel nature of war and unapologetically sought victory. Today we seek enough movement to realign things so that a diplomatic solution can be arrived at.

The kill ratio in Lebanon and Israel last week was running ten-to-one in Israel’s favor—and much higher than that if you count only civilians.

Notice that this news is presented as a bad thing. Conversely, even though we support Israel in this war, according to this author's rationale, it would be better if the Israelis suffered more losses.

20 posted on 08/06/2006 4:28:38 PM PDT by massadvj
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"And the big one is this: Israel is a good and miraculous nation that deserves the support of civilized people, but the great unfortunate fact about its creation—being carved by the U.N. out of Arab land in 1947—cannot be ignored or wished away."

What makes the land Israel is on "Arab land"? I'm curious. Jews have lived on this land for what 5000 years? The land had been part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries. When the Ottoman Empire broke up do to being on the losing side of WWI, the land was run by the British under a League of Nations mandate. The UN took over for the League of Nations in 1945, continued the mandate and affirmed the creation of the State of Israel alongside several Arab states. Today, about one million Arabs live in the Israel with more freedom and security than in any of the Arab states. They've shown no interest is going elsewhere.

Logically, I just don't get this "Arab land" point.

21 posted on 08/06/2006 4:36:58 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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Israel wasn't created, except by Israelis. And it isn't "Arab land".


22 posted on 08/06/2006 7:45:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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but the great unfortunate fact about its creation—being carved by the U.N. out of Arab land in 1947

This is of course not true. The Jews were there well before 1947. They were also in what is now called the West Bank. The Zionists bought the land they occupied, they did not steal it from anyone. Some Muslims left at the behest of the surrounding Arab countries, when they attacked the newly independent nation of Israel, promising them the property of the Jews, after the latter were pushed into the sea by the Arab armies. Didn't work out that way.

The UN did not create Israel in 1947, the Israelis created it, the UN recognized it, and stopped the Israelis from getting more of the land they were entitled to under previous agreements. (i.e., the West Bank)

23 posted on 08/06/2006 7:50:05 PM PDT by El Gato
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How many other countries have been created out of whole cloth since WW1, with rivaling populations? Only Israel remains a controversy, it seems.

Your point is well taken.

For example, the liberals certainly didn't wince when the Clinton administration started carving an Islamic Kosovo out of Christian Serbia -- by force of arms, no less.

24 posted on 08/06/2006 8:07:10 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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History is bunk.

27 posted on 08/06/2006 8:35:38 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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Thus says the Lord God of Israel

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into YOUR OWN LAND.
30 posted on 08/07/2006 5:23:41 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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Jews Zionists settled a barren depopulated land. The Muslim "holy mosques" in Jerusalem were severely neglected. Arabs also immigrated when they saw this increased economic activity created by the Jews

50% of Israelis came from Arab nations where they treated like crap by the Muslims. It's very unfair to call Israel an extension of Europe. And if anyone knows imperialism and colonialism it's the Arab Muslims. Their history is full of subjugation and conquest. Muhammad and his successors conquered North Africa, Persia and beyond as they spread Islam by the sword.

Muhammad fought 68 wars of conquest in his lifetime

31 posted on 08/07/2006 5:47:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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Where is the BARF alert?


33 posted on 08/07/2006 8:41:25 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 69-71)
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