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Missiles Neutralizing Israeli Tanks
Yahoo News ^ | 8-4-2006 | Benjamin Harvey

Posted on 08/04/2006 7:02:46 PM PDT by blam

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To: DoughtyOne
Break out the napalm. Bring the troops home and burn a swatch twenty miles wide clear across the bottom of Lebanon. Step in and occupy that zone and declare it Israeli territory.

Col. Kilgore, is that you? (Obscure reference to "Apocalypse Now")

81 posted on 08/05/2006 6:49:03 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: Tallguy
"Got news for ya. The M1A2 Abrams & the British Challenger II wouldn't do much better in this type of operation"

I know the Abrams and Challenger would not fair much better...As far as my understanding the Merkava is one of the most heavily armored tanks in the world...

82 posted on 08/05/2006 9:27:31 AM PDT by Americanwolf ("Israel attacks Lebanon" "Iraq War" "North Korea testing missiles"..Haven't we been here before??)
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To: Americanwolf

They were going to field a new engine/tranny for the Merk so that it had a little better speed & acceleration. I think I read that that project got scrapped or scaled-back due to cost projections.


83 posted on 08/05/2006 10:24:33 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: uncbob

Not bad. As long as they add in their missiles and aircraft, sounds like a plan. Then get ready to drop some blockbusters on all those running across the desert towards Israel to cause trouble.


84 posted on 08/05/2006 10:37:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Tallguy
LOL, kinda harsh huh. I think the message has to be sent, that the cost of attacking Israel is too unthinkable to risk. These terrorists seem willing to pay the price. Okay, how about taking out their moms and pops and wives and children. Let's see how that plays. I hate to act like Maximum Bob or whatever, but this cannot go on, and Israel should not have to face it again in five or ten years, or whenever the mood strikes. My ultimate goal is peace. You only have it when the bad guys beg for it in earnest.
85 posted on 08/05/2006 10:41:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: DoughtyOne

According to the recognized Rules of War, Hezzbollah is bringing the violence to the Lebanese populace and Israel is within its rights to bomb the living cr*p out of any areas from which the Hezzies are staging attacks. Arguments for "proportional responses" are best left to historians. Oh, and it's a good idea if those are YOUR historians, since if they are not it usually indicates that your side lost.


86 posted on 08/05/2006 10:59:44 AM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: Tallguy

True. But then there's the re-writing of history that the leftist are so good at, win or lose.


87 posted on 08/05/2006 11:09:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Bring your press credentials to Qana, for the world's most convincing terrorist street theater.)
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To: Cobra64

I figure the nature of Iran, Syria and Lebanon will be quite different two years from now.


88 posted on 08/05/2006 11:46:15 AM PDT by crowman
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To: uncbob

I think that's the unreported factor in all of Iran's bluster. They have no economy other than oil income and the fat petro-mullahs in Tehran have grown happy with new wealth. Cut the flow and they fall like mosquitos without water. Just blast part of the oil industry and watch um squeel.


89 posted on 08/05/2006 11:54:51 AM PDT by crowman
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To: El Gato; All
Israel, will know who's been supplying them either direct to the Hezbos, or to their agents in Killeen.

Now what did I mean to say there? Certainly not Killeen, which is the home of the US Army's Ft. Hood, and also where I live.

Probably meant Iran.

90 posted on 08/05/2006 12:32:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: FreedomPoster
According to the US Army's Redstone Arsenal:

A total of 46 allied nations use the TOW, and it is co-produced in Switzerland.

Notice in that photo, that the markings are in English, and the production date is shown as 2001. The Swiss would mark them in German, French, and Italian.

Production for other nations might not use the same packaging or markings as those produced for US forces. The storage/shipping boxes look kinda old fashioned compared to those I've seen for recent (and 2001 is very recent) US storage cases for other weapons.

91 posted on 08/05/2006 1:43:18 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: uncbob
So far he [Bush] is not acting as a LEADER up front where he needs to be communicating

so say you.

I have heard him state his position loud and clear on more than one occasion =- as well as it being reiterated by Condi and Tony - which is their jobs.

Were Bush to appear too strident, at this point, would be construed as Israel being under the U.S./Bush thumb, as mere lackeys, rather than exercising their sovereign right of defense and decision making/ - If we are perceived as "in charge"

" Bush better get the hell out in front "

it would, I believe, tip the delegate balance of world opinion regarding the US and other countries letting Israel have it's head on this.

This is high stakes poker. Bush doesn't play to the crowd...He plays to win. So say I... ;o)

92 posted on 08/05/2006 1:47:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: blam
Top Israeli intelligence officials say they have seen Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers on the ground with Hezbollah troops.

That would be sweet if Israel captured one alive.

93 posted on 08/05/2006 2:21:06 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: El Gato

I'd be real curious to hear what the MI types ultimately have to say about those weapons.


94 posted on 08/05/2006 2:51:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: blam
the next stage of the confrontation."

Shudder....

Just posted this:

Ghostly Shadows - How bloody-minded are the tyrants of Tehran?

95 posted on 08/05/2006 3:25:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Nachum

I like your idea, but I would like to add to it, please: " Anything that moves should be shot at"---AND KILLED!


96 posted on 08/05/2006 3:29:55 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: doug from upland

You are correct. The Israelis know if they don't take care of business now, there will be no tomorrow.


97 posted on 08/05/2006 3:40:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Americanwolf
I know the Abrams and Challenger would not fair much better...As far as my understanding the Merkava is one of the most heavily armored tanks in the world...

The Merkava has lighter armor than the Abrams and Challenger 2 in terms of damage resistance; it has somewhat less advanced armor technologically. It was designed for warfare against the weak-to-middling anti-armor capability of their region. The Abrams has been hit multiple times in friendly fire incidents, including by other Abrams tanks, and the armor has proven to be surprisingly resistant to even American anti-armor weapons. But then, the Abrams was designed to fight and win tank battles on an exposed field against a numerically superior force that was using the best anti-armor technology the rest of the world could produce. There is a cost-benefit ratio to consider.

Of course, the US is currently field-testing an entirely new class of anti-armor weapon system that will effectively obsolete all known and projected armor technologies -- the proverbial irresistable force.

98 posted on 08/05/2006 3:51:27 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: El Gato
The Swiss would mark them in German, French, and Italian.

I am not sure that they would. The Swiss have more or less officially adopted English as the region-neutral language of choice in recent years, in some sort of language normalization effort. For the export market, it certainly would make sense for the markings to be in lingua franca (sweet irony).

99 posted on 08/05/2006 3:55:44 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: maine-iac7

The Bushman in DC is reportedly a wicked poker player.


100 posted on 08/05/2006 9:16:24 PM PDT by crowman
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