[oxcart]

Oey vey.

[oxcart]

A you might find this interesting (((PING))).

[BadAndy]

DemocRats eat lots of soy products, right?

[Kirkwood]

This is a load of crap. Research animal diets are well controlled in the US. Additionally, as long as the same diet is fed to both the control and experimental group, the test conditions are the same. Any study involving diet differences already takes into account the diet ingredients.

[Dahoser]

Does this mean I can eat theater popcorn again? /s

[ConservativeMind]

Link doesn't work.

[sourcery]

Rats! My experiments have been foiled again!

[mewzilla]

The concern is that researchers have unwittingly administered hormones present in some rodent chow.

They just don't make Rat Chow like they used to...

[Sax]

Could we get an incredibly loud "D'oh" with a five second echoing reverb?

[metmom]

Kind of reminds me of how recently a couple guys in Germany (I believe) discovered a as yet unknown gland in the lab mice brain after all these years of dissecting them. It was a thread posted here on FR. I'll bet that's mucked things up some, too.

What to do?

[Old Professer]

"The University of Colorado's Dr. Leinwand said she stumbled on the chow issue when an employee switched a particular breed of mice from a soy-based diet to a milk protein-based diet in preparation for an experiment.

Suddenly, she said, it seemed like there was nothing left to study. The male mice, which ordinarily developed heart disease, were much healthier on the milk protein-based chow. Further studies implicated the soy hormones as part of the reason."

Does that mean all these heart-healthy ads for soy milk have to be taken with a grain of salt?

[muir_redwoods]

Do a google search on He La Cells. The biopsy of a Baltimore cleaning woman were cultured and invaded and may have invalidated years of research. Henrietta Lacks (He La for short)had breast cancer back in the '50's and it caused her death. Her biopsy cells were cultured and were used in labs all over the world. They were inordinately vigorous and survived routine sterilization to infect samples for years.

[AndrewB]

Better than a Diet of Worms.

[metmom]

ping

[tet68]

Oey vey.

SOY vey!

[Rytwyng]

time for a weston a price ping?

[mysterio]

I work in biochemistry research. The rodent diet is very closely watched. Also, there are several controls in any experiment that would render this meaningless. This article implying that the majority of medical research is tainted by diet is irresponsible at best.

I don't personally work with rodents. I work with tissue culture. But my neighboring labs work with rodents.

[spanalot]

Pass the saccharine please

[4Liberty]

Heisenberg Principle.

[right-wingin_It]

I see this type of thing happen all the time in pharmaceutical research. I always wondered why some PhDs don't fire on all cylinders. I think it's because in many universities our scientific educations are so specialized and spoon-fed, there's no time for independent thinking and growth.

[aruanan]

The most commonly used laboratory rodent chows contain soy as a key source of protein. The problem, research has shown, is that soy naturally contains chemicals known as phytoestrogens. These substances can wriggle their way into the lab animals' natural estrogen system, altering their physiology, whether they are male or female.

Well, you can see how much soy screws up people by considering that someone who drinks a soy latte has to be nuts to do that to coffee. On the other hand, billions of people have eaten soy products for thousands of years and do not appear to have radically different physiologies from populations that do not consume soy.