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I've pinged a lot of people with this reply and may have missed some. Just to say thanks for your input on this serious matter.

Too bad that I couldn't have read some of them more than 30 years ago when my oldest son was exhibiting symptoms listed here.

He was not medicated for any behaviour problems while growing up and did not attend public school as a young child but a Christian school, I am not disparaging Christian schools in any way because I know from personal experience that they are superior academically to public schools.

I took my kids out of the Christian school after a few years primarily because of my oldest boy. Teachers and principal beating his ass every day or making him miss every recess didn't seem to be changing his behaviour.

Though meds were available at the time, no one ever suggested them to me and I doubt that I would have approved that approach then anyway.

My son had continuing problems all through school and after. Problems that grew from anti social, to drugs, alcohol and down right criminal behaviour. He spent a few months in county jail at about age 21.

I had reached the point that when relatives or friends asked me how he was doing all I could come up with was, "well he's alive still and not in prison".

Don't get sad yet, this little story has a happy ending.

He was cured at age 24 with a personal encounter with Jesus Christ. He's 33 now with his own family and is a responsible church going citizen and I couldn't be more proud of him.

I am not suggesting that this is the only method to arrive at success (Though I personaly believe in that method)

I believe that God has given us physicans and drugs to use and that we should avail ourselves with whatever works.

I have two sons and they are both members of this forum, I didn't ping the one I am discussing, I know him and believe that he doesn't want the noteriety or kudos that might come his way.

Praise God he's ok in spite of my efforts.

I love a success story!

Please pass that to your son for me, it will be lit for him this evening!

By nature, I'm VERY anti drug. So much so, I don't even take Novocaine when having fillings.

ADHD is a hot button with me because is so over diagnosed. Ritalin works well and helps a lot of people. But it gets VERY abused.

There's an old saying "There but for the grace of GOD go I". I don't know why some of us turned to drinking etc unless it was seeking chemical balance. Some though will also seek out high intensity jobs like paramedics or firefighters. They can become pin point focused in such situations where we can't during normal life. Again chemical balance? Adrenalin causing a balance? It's a puzzle.

I use a medication a tranquilizer actually to deal with it when it went more progressive in nature in my mid 30's. If I didn't I'd be an agoraphobic most likely. I never underestimate the power of prayer either :>} But part of coming to terms with these disorders if you have them is understanding them. Not understanding & the not knowing the reason for a problem can lead to a lot of self doubt and feeling of failure when actually a lot has been overcame.