[GoLightly]

And Cardinal Richelieu thinks you're in the way of his power so you are just going to have to die. If you're a Protestant and lucky, maybe he just stripped you of your political rights and protections (what you probably consider now to be God-given rights).

Save this to use against me if you ever see me arguing for a theocracy.

Natural rights, god-given rights, what they actually are is always determined by people.

Determined is different than derived, no?

[antiRepublicrat]

Save this to use against me if you ever see me arguing for a theocracy.

That's not the point. In a theocracy (or in that case a monarchy by divine right), all rights come from God, and they weren't respected as we see them today.

Determined is different than derived, no?

It doesn't matter whether the rights are derived from a deity or the concept of natural rights. Their enumeration is determined by man.

Simple example, the 2nd Amendment recognizes the pre-existing right of the people to keep and bear arms, and declares that it shall not be infringed. England, a more Christian-based country than ours, does not recognize that right. Besides, that right is barely recognized in our own country, as I'd call not being able to get a 13-round magazine for a pistol during the assault weapons ban an infringement.