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1 posted on 07/31/2006 6:44:59 AM PDT by A. Pole
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"The Secretary of State tells the Lebanese that the blood they're seeing represents the birth of a brave new order. She's convincing nobody" ----

Where is the BARF ALERT?

2 posted on 07/31/2006 6:46:44 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
Arab leaders, moreover, have learned to be suspicious of Rice's revolutionary ambitions — just a year ago, she spoke of spreading "creative chaos" in the region.

ME bump

3 posted on 07/31/2006 6:46:54 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Gay marriage" - Karl Rove's conspiracy to defeat Democrats?)
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I appreciate this young lady. I hope she is not in over her head.

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8 posted on 07/31/2006 6:56:59 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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10 posted on 07/31/2006 7:02:13 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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Critics have long warned that by refusing on principle to talk to the likes of Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizballah, the U.S. is restricting its own ability to influence events in a region where those regimes and organizations represent a significant force

I would call this the "Jimmy Carter Syndrome".
It's a type of insanity.

13 posted on 07/31/2006 7:11:44 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Good news is no news.)
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You don't negotiate with people who are sending missiles into your back yard. You root them out.

Hezbollah is not an otherwise good neighbor who has the unfortunate habit of occasionally firing off a missile, it is a war-fighting organization that has as its goal, war. It doesn't even represent the people it pretends to represent, it is a war-fighting front for Syria and Iran. You don't negotiate with a sock-puppet. You don't negotiate with the people who are killing your wives and children.

I suppose you could ask them what they want, but when what they want is you, dead, that should tell you what you have to do. Get to them before they do you.

Rice and Bush were right to insist that there be no cease-fire that doesn't include the disarming of Hezbollah, which is in essence to demand their surrender as a war-fighting organization. They can choose to survive as a purely political organization, or not at all.

The worst mistake any of us can make, and I fear we will make it, will be to find some "solution" that leaves Hezbollah armed inside of Lebanon. Such a solution guarantees that war continues, and worse than before. The interjection of a peace-keeping force without disarming Hezbollah actually makes things worse; Hezbollah has no problem sailing a missile over the heads of the peace-keepers, but Israel will have to go through the peace-keepers to get at them.


14 posted on 07/31/2006 7:11:59 AM PDT by marron
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Another example of Pro-Islamist propaganda from the Western Liberal-Socialist media.

This "Israel is guilty of inflaming Middle Eastern tensions" line for fighting back the Islamic enemies who want to annihilate Israel is not only ludicrous, but also boring.


19 posted on 07/31/2006 8:21:00 AM PDT by sergey1973
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Condi needs to go, AND NOW.

She wouldn't listen to Abbas who kept warning her that they needed more time before the Palestinian elections, or Hamas would win. Then, she acted surprised at Hamas victory.

Today, Michael Aoun, a Lebanese Maronite Chritian leader, tells us, in a Wall Street Journal editorial, that he kept warning the U.S. to press for changes in the Lebanese election laws (established by Syria) before elections were held in Lebanon, or the new government would lack a real popular mandate to actually rule. And again, we did not listen and again the 'ruling' authority with the responsibility to reign in a terrorist organization was weakened by the rush to "democracy" at any price and regardless of a good foundation for that democray first being established.

Condi must go.


20 posted on 07/31/2006 8:50:50 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Convert from ECUSA
The current U.S. position is based on the assumption that Israel's military campaign will, if not destroy Hizballah's military capability, badly bloody the organization and force it to accept what it might deem as a surrender. The "cease-fire" that would eventually be agreed would then amount a mopping up operation. But it's growing increasingly unlikely that those battlefield objectives can be realized...
...luckily only by those who want Israel to be liquidated, a la the PLO Charter.
22 posted on 07/31/2006 9:05:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: A. Pole
Critics have long warned that by refusing on principle to talk to the likes of Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizballah,

Do they recognize Israel's Right to Exist?

Until then there is nothing to talk about.

28 posted on 07/31/2006 3:57:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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