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7/29 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/29/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/28/2006 11:26:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Israeli soldiers rest at an artillery position in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Friday July 28, 2006.

Updates

IDF soldier seriously injured in Bint Jbeil (09:14 , 07.29.06)

IDF hits over 60 Hizbullah targets (09:11 , 07.29.06)

Solana confident UN will push for international force in Southern Lebanon (08:28 , 07.29.06)

Annan plans meeting for potential contributors to international force for Lebanon (07:58 , 07.29.06)

Japan ground troops to mark official end to Iraq mission (07:23 , 07.29.06)

Bint Jbeil battle: 6 Soldiers lightly to moderately injured (05:28 , 07.29.06)

Moscow pushes Iran to respond to incentives deal (05:10 , 07.29.06)

Canada winding down Lebanon evacuation (05:08 , 07.29.06)

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades group says killed Yakir settler (05:06 , 07.29.06)

Bush apologizes to Blair over failure to declare planes carried missiles for Israel (05:02 , 07.29.06)

IAF strikes 60 targets in Lebanon (04:58 , 07.29.06)

1 dead, 5 hurt in Seattle Jewish center shooting


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; breaking; gwot; hizballah; iaf; idf; israel; middleeast
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To: Lil Flower
The only problem with that is they are not stopping the rockets.

True enough but remember, like all terrorist wars, this is all about perception and propaganda and media. If you are Hezbollah and you have 500 rocket launchers and 15,000 rockets and you fire them off at 100 per day you can easily lose 50% of your launchers and 50% of your rockets and just keep firing at your 100 per day rate. This true even when the numbers get to 80% or 90%. So we are a ways off from "total suppression". The weapon inventories are just too large.

But that doesn't mean that Israel is not making progress. You just can't measure it by counting rocket launches. Not yet at least.

201 posted on 07/29/2006 8:35:50 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

THANKS.


202 posted on 07/29/2006 8:36:48 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Top IDF officer: Bint Jbail operation was intended to last three days

That could be true. But if it isn't we would have been given the same report. The fog of war is foggy.

203 posted on 07/29/2006 8:37:36 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: All

BTW, feel free to email Mahmood to give your opinion on elastic loaves:

http://www.president.ir/email/


204 posted on 07/29/2006 8:38:46 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: InterceptPoint

Then I disagree with you.

1. If the human nature aspect of seeking freedom truly trumped culture, we'd have had freedom enhancing cultures ran by humans with human natures long before the US of A.

2. I suppose you are right in the sense that the human nature trait of greed, fear, control, selfishness, abusiveness have been running organizations, nations, families and cultures a very long time. And . . . are hazarding ours rather greatly.

3. Those traits have clearly trumped the freedom loving trait for millenia.


205 posted on 07/29/2006 8:39:50 AM PDT by Quix
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To: InterceptPoint
It's a game. Nasrallah gains stature in the eyes of Hezebola and Olmert tries to look like he's doing somethig with minimum casualties.

A major problem arises if the guidance systems on the incoming rockets improves significantly. Then the battle becomes more symmetrical.

206 posted on 07/29/2006 8:40:50 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: AliVeritas; All
BTW, feel free to email Mahmood to give your opinion on elastic loaves:

http://www.president.ir/email/

Rough draft?

Dear Mambo-baby,

Got your "elastic loaf" swinging.

Later,

ONC

207 posted on 07/29/2006 8:41:27 AM PDT by olde north church (The Password is: herem)
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To: jhp

That would involve mind-reading. I'll say this however- he DID seem tired. He made it clear where HE stands- that is to destroy Hizballah.


208 posted on 07/29/2006 8:43:56 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: Quix
If the human nature aspect of seeking freedom truly trumped culture, we'd have had freedom enhancing cultures ran by humans with human natures long before the US of A.

We did. Have a look here:

Wikipedia: "History of Democracy"

209 posted on 07/29/2006 8:44:34 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Pepper777

Bibi's going to have a hissy:



Israel: We will not demand Hizbullah disarmament





A senior Foreign Ministry official said Israel will not demand the immediate disarmament of Hizbullah in the framework of a ceasefire agreement.


He added that Israel will demand the distancing of Hizbullah from the border and end to the transfer of arms from Syria and Iran to the organization. (AP)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283131,00.html

(07.29.06, 18:31)


210 posted on 07/29/2006 8:45:44 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: AliVeritas; All

HEADS UP:

Nezrallah will be making a speech and/or statement shortly..just in from FOX bureau in Israel.


211 posted on 07/29/2006 8:46:32 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: SE Mom

http://www.sondrak.com/index.php/weblog/a_way_of_life/


212 posted on 07/29/2006 8:48:41 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: SE Mom

18:34 Nasrallah speech expected shortly (Channel 10)
18:31 IDF says it killed 70-80 Hezbollah militants in south Lebanon in recent days (Haaretz)


213 posted on 07/29/2006 8:49:00 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I just heard an Israeli official on Fox, she refused to say that disarming Hezbollah was still the goal, she wants a force on the border.

Another win for the bad guys.
214 posted on 07/29/2006 8:51:41 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: tsmith130

Sudden Jihad Syndrome, A Case Study
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014834.php


215 posted on 07/29/2006 8:54:01 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: AliVeritas

Geeeeeeze Ali. What evil.

I'm speechless.


216 posted on 07/29/2006 8:54:19 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: MNJohnnie

my so called pet theory is a lot better than no strategy at all. This is indecision at its finest. These raids into Bent Jbail are token at best, no strategy is being employed. They are targeting rocket launchers and command and control from the air and that is the ONLY useful thing being done.

Hizbullah is more like a militia than a guerialla fighting force. In recent memory there has never been more of a "face" to a terrorist organization than what Hizbullah has presented, let's not waste the opportunity. There are fortified positions and weapons caches thru out southern lebanon and the bekka (not just in Bent Jbail). The IDF needs to go in all the way to the Litani (maybe even the bekka) smash these positions and caches and boogy on back to the Israeli/Lebanon border. For what its worth, i agree with you that over time a traditional guerilla type war would ensue should the IDF remain in south lebanon, but this should not dissuade Israel from going in and knocking down the infrastructure Hizbullah has erceted.

Olmert is a peacknik, this is not some grand strategy, this is indecision. I hope i am proved wrong but i fear i am not.

Side note - Assuming you are right about "my strategy", your Russian/Afghanistan analogy is good, however the Nazi/Eastern Europe analogy doesn't work, the "lend-lease" program did the trick there, unless i missed something and it was really Polish farmers with pitch forks that smashed thru the Berlin gates


217 posted on 07/29/2006 8:57:22 AM PDT by jhp
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To: SE Mom
Nezrallah will be making a speech and/or statement shortly..just in from FOX bureau in Israel.

Nasrallah: "I'm please to announce that I will be running for President of Lebanon in the next election."

218 posted on 07/29/2006 8:58:48 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

He can't hold the presidency. It has to be a Maronite Christian, I believe.

I don't think he can be the PM. I think that has to be a Sunni Moslem.


219 posted on 07/29/2006 9:00:37 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ScaniaBoy
So far today I haven't heard any news from Iraq - and acting on the premise that no news is good news - I hope everything is calm. Take care.

It's been quiet the last couple of days.

There are still things to be reckoned with there and they will be reckoned with. I believe we're only experiencing a lull. We've had plenty of them before.

I still firmly believe that when all is said and done, the good guys will be victorious.

220 posted on 07/29/2006 9:02:07 AM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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