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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

>>Generally good points. A few quibbles.

3. Hezbollah and Hamas cannot be defeated with air strikes. There is no effective alternative to ground invasion and ongoing control of the ground.

>>If you remember the occupation of Lebanon a few years back, this didn't seem to defeat them either. As these groups get longer range missiles, you will have to control more and more ground to prevent them from attacking. At some point this becomes beyond Israel's capability.

9. It is impossible for there to be two sovereign entities between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

>>Not necessarily. However, it is impossible for there to be two of them if one if determined to destroy the other.

34. “Palestinians” are not a people and never were. They are simply Arabs who happened to migrate into historic Western Palestine. They have no right to statehood.

>>They didn't use to be. They are now. Get over it. Lots of other nations have come into existence that have no long history behind them, notably the US.

44. There are no non-military solutions to the problem of terrorism.

>>There also do not appear to be any military solutions short of killing all Palestinians, or possibly all Arabs or Muslims. I believe this is generally referred to as a "Final Solution."

46. There are no significant differences between the agenda of the PLO and the agenda of Hamas and Hezbollah.

>>Not as far as relationships with Israel.

50. The only way to stop terrorism is to kill terrorists.

>>This will only work if you can kill them all, which is highly unlikely, as new ones are coming online all the time.


7 posted on 07/27/2006 10:15:35 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer
This will only work if you can kill them all, which is highly unlikely, as new ones are coming online all the time.

Whack a Mole in the desert, won't cut it, huh? LOL

8 posted on 07/27/2006 10:22:14 AM PDT by oyez (The way to punish a providence is to allow it to be governed by philosophers. --Frederick the Great)
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The Israelis either will or won't achieve a total victory--laden phrases such as "final solution" to analogize what the Israelis are up against (which is purely and simply an existential threat from an implacable enemy) cheapens the discussion and frankly adopts the tactics of the left both in Israel and here.

To win a lasting peace, Israel will have to kill and or deport most of the non-Jews in the region. I predict they likely will not do so. And they will likely pay the price when they are once again pressured into accepting a permanent knife at their throat and learning to like living in bomb shelters through another temporary fake ceasefire imposed by her "ally" the USA.

Sure would like to be wrong about Israel and watch Iran and Syria get what they richly deserve, but I think it may have to wait for Another who promised He would come to do it for us.
9 posted on 07/27/2006 10:49:58 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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