Verdict Reached in Andrea Yates Case (UPDATE: Not Guilty by reason of insanity)

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[GB]

Keeping this pinged, check out Mona Charen's column ... and she's no radical liberal feminist or child-hater ... that will be released today (Friday 7/28), she really takes out after Rusty Yates.

[GB]

I'm not a lawyer, haven't even stayed at a Holiday Inn in a while, but I don't think anyone thinks a not guilty verdict in any case, whether insanity is attached to it or not, connotes innocence beyond a metaphysical doubt. It connotes that the state could not convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant's guilt, and the way our legal system works, when that happens, the defendant walks.

As far as the "guilty, but not culpable by reason of insanity" finding, again I absolutely would support that and would participate in an effort to codify that into law. Where I would disagree with some who've posted in this thread is that I don't know if I'd go as far as saying that somebody found "guilty but insane" should be executed, even though I generally support the death penalty for the most heinous crimes.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Systematically killing her children. Then calmly calling the police. Now she gets to get three hots and a cot in a cushy state hospital. She will also get book deals as well as movie deals.

Book deals? Movie deals? SHE'S NUCKING FUTS! Good holy Christmas, do you think this woman is capable of negotiating a deal, much less coherently providing material for such deals?

A poster here mentioned something about the immediate phone calls after the murders. One was to Rusty Yates, where Andrea said that "she did it". He knew she killed someone, but obviously not herself. Didn't even freak out. He knew she she shouldn't have been anywhere near those babies. Like to comment on that?

Men and women process mental illness differently, and act out in decidedly different ways. It's still a valid defense when one is ate up and totally loony tunes.

[TheSpottedOwl]

From his reaction in the courtroom, I wouldn't be surprised that if this poor wretch ever does get out of the mental ward, he didn't try to plant his seed in her again.

Hohohohoho! He remarried!!! Yes, he found someone stupid and brain dead enough to let that guy into her life. Okay, not really that funny.

Read up on the backround on Andrea and Rusty's religious beliefs. It will give you a most definitive clue. I'm tired of listening to otherwise intelligent, conservative posters calling for needles, ropes, and full bathtubs. Just don't let the woman out in this lifetime.

[TheSpottedOwl]

This was a woman with a college education and a career. No one made her have kids and stay home.

Bwahahahaha!!!!! You forgot the /sarc tag, right? Please tell me you did.

[jrg]

Sorry, thought you were Christian.
Used to be. Was brought up Southern Baptist. I've converted to Tibetan Buddhist.

[after dark]

I just read Ms.Charen's article. The impression she made on me is that she believes that four of those children had no right to exist. Now that all of those children are gone Ms.Yates will now be able to get the help she needs.In her opinion Russell Yates should now go to jail for siring those children.Her article is a classic example of blame the victim mentality.

[CindyDawg]

No, I didn't forget. It was sarcasm but not in the way you mean. I was reading he made her do this, he made her do that. Men can not make us do anything. If she was/is mentally ill which I believe she is , and it was all because of him, she had to start somewhere and progressively get worse by that theory. At some point do you not think while she was still sane that she could have said, "no, I'm not having any more kids. Find another woman if that isn't ok with you. I'm not going thru any more of that. You can live in the trailer if you want but I'm staying in my house. Homeschool isn't working for me. You teach them or I'm putting them in private school". No one has mentioned that I have seen, that she might have wanted this stuff too.

[stands2reason]

Hokay.

I was raised conservative CoC and am now a Gnostic with a side of Theravada.

(I follow the Dharma for the results -detachment from matter. I don't accept reincarnation, etc. )

[PghBaldy]

Ozzy Osbourne on Russell Yates: “I will burn his eyes out with a hot poker.”
The husband of Andrea Yates, Russell, was on the Today Show the same morning that Ozzy Osbourne was, and told a journalist that he was a huge fan of Ozzy’s. Upon hearing this, Page Six reports, Ozzy said, “I will burn his eyes out with a hot poker … He is profiting directly from the demise of his own children. And that, to me, is wrong.” The Osbournes snuck out a back door to avoid Russell, who wanted his picture taken with Ozzy. http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_osbournes/2002_Mar_28_ozzy_osbourne_on

[TheSpottedOwl]

Now remember, we are NOT talking about Susan Smith.

There is a history of depression and schizophrenia on Andrea's side of the family. That has nothing to do with intelligence, imo.

Her religion states that birth control is a sin. Also, the man being the head of the household. Now, couple that with a charlatan who proclaims himself to be a man of God. Boy, I'd love to get my hands on his sermons. So, put it all together and you have a real problem on your hands. Rusty wants to knock boots, you must submit.

She had no more of a choice of voicing her opinion of curtailing future pregnancies or homeschooling, than she had picking out an ice cream flavor. By kid #3(I think), she was toast. How could she make a rational decision at that point?

I understand completely what you're saying, but it simply doesn't apply to Andrea Yates. Since Rusty was head of the household according to their religious beliefs, it was his job to watch over his flock. His arrogance, self centeredness, and disregard for the reality of his wife's condition, directly played a part in this horrible tragedy. Imagine how callous a man would have to be to deliberately impregnate a ragdoll. Yuck :(

One more thing. I've mentioned this on a previous thread. Why not take this woman and study her? Glean as much information as possible regarding underlying mental illnesses and postpartum psychosis? Examine extremely harsh religious beliefs(oh, that will be really popular)added to the mix. Don't let those babies die in vain.

[after dark]

Andrea Yates is an aberration . So stop trying to use this case as an excuse to throw freedom of religion out the window. Most of the people who are members of those weird little protestant churches are peaceful so leave them alone.

Also her religion did allow for the use of birth control. You must be gunning for Catholicism.

If Andrea Yates was so insane she could not have children. Then she was to insane to consent to sex. I will not hold my breathe waiting for liberals to tell people to stop taking sexual advantage of crazy people.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Excuse me? I'm trying to throw freedom of religion out the window? I am concerned with cults, not religion. Equating that cult with Protestant worship is a slap in the face to every person who is a Protestant.

You should do some research before you make claims that I am gunning for Catholicism....because I was raised pre-Vatican II Catholic. Birth control is considered a mortal sin. Of course if you subscribe to the "anything goes" mentality of Vatican II, then of course you'd think differently. The Church made certain allowances even back in the dark ages for certain circumstances where birth control could be used. Andrea, if I am not mistaken, left Catholicism, to join her husband's church.

Which brings us to your last comments. "If Andrea Yates was so insane she could not have children. Then she was to insane to consent to sex." That is the point that some of us have been trying to make! Then there's, "I will not hold my breathe waiting for liberals to tell people to stop taking sexual advantage of crazy people.". Liberals? Since when do they care about anyone but their agenda? They don't care about crazy people, women, anyone but themselves.

Hope this clears a few things up for you. Have a great day!

[after dark]

Oh, spare me the indignation.

You wanted something done about preachers who you consider to be "nuts".

You know perfectly well I do not hold protestants even the ones I disagree with in low regard.

No church should ever be held accountable for the actions of their individual members.

Over the years their have been Catholic fruitcakes who have killed children they thought were demoniacally possessed. Fortunately ,protestants did not try to hold the Catholic Church responsible. We should treat people as we would like to be treated.