Posted on 07/26/2006 9:35:01 AM PDT by cajunman
Thanks.....I wrote to your regular email....and understand your problem...pls though....pls be careful with diagnosing others...give them info by all means...and I am not all that familiar with teh Vestibular part though I know that any myoclonic condition is basically like mini seizures of motor neurons...but you are always aware unlike a normal seizure......it is a fairly rare condition as most people can adopt to their sensory environment......but there can be a host of etiologic reasons for one's symptoms...
Luke 21 meet Luke 8 v26-36.
I am careful. But I have seen too many persons done this way. I had a cousin done this way all he had was Inner Ear problems and the doctors prescribed the SSRI's. An old timer retired doctor diagnosed his problem finally by asking about his medical history including the childhood tubes in his ears and his tour of Nam where hearing was damaged. The doctors aren't trying to pin point cause they are only treating text book symptoms and thats's wreaking havoc on persons.
I'll tell you the truth I was given Paxil and it blocked my bladder. That is what I meant Dysreflexia. It is a condition more associated with spinal cord patients. It can be deadly in fact it is deadly unless the cause is eliminated within minutes in many cases. I doubt 1 in 10,000 patients know that it can block their bladder and this applies only to males BTW. The doctor who gave it to me didn't know it would do that. I thought it was part of what ever was wrong with me. See the danger? Patient education is everything.
The person I gave advice too on a thread in the e-mail we exchanged was correct also. I said get to an E.R. ASAP. I'm not diagnosing them I'm telling them of some common mis-diagnoses among the G.A.D. and ADD ADHD disorders. How else can the epidemics be explained :>} The conditions have been among us but not the technology to trigger the disorders? In that respect Levinson 25 year ago was closer to the truth than many in the mental healh field today.
I'm jealous....I'm still waiting for the line up for BayFest in October....rumor is that he's going to be here...Bo Bice was last year....
Most of the jury foreman's comments on GMA this morning focused on the "knowing right from wrong" stipulation in the Texas penal code for legal definitions of sanity/insanity.
Unfortunately, he didn't go into the remarks he made yesterday, which to me were a lot more valuable to the public - when he said 5 of them argued about the wording, wanting it to be "Guilty but Insane," as I posted yesterday.
And of course, two out of the three morning news programs I tuned in to this morning announced it the same way as our local Houston news did: "Not Guilty." Period. Grrr. Some went as far as saying she was "acquitted" and she was "found innocent."
This is just so wrong, so wrong. The justice system's "cred" is hanging by a thread these days, anyway, so to have this piled on top just makes me sick.
I did like some people's interpretation that terrorists could use the same defense that got Andrea "acquitted" and also get the same outcome.
She believed that what she was doing was right and based it on her skewed belief system, just as the Muslim terrorists say they do. In her delusions, which unfortunately were often Bible-centered (a point that just about everybody wants to sidestep, for a variety of reasons), she truly believed that killing her children would put them on the expressway to heaven.
She *knew* that in the physical world, the secular world, this was a crime, but she believed that in the spiritual realm, where she *thought* she was living in her isolation, with the devil as her boss, their deaths would be the ultimate sacrifice, saving the children from hell or purgatory or a life of problems or tragedies.
Come to think of it, I remember another mother of a murdered child saying this - that her young daughter would never have to suffer from cancer or many other problems of earthly living. That mother never said a word about missed graduations or proms or weddings or grandbabies - only the negative things that the child was "saved" from.
Somehow, somewhere, certain personality types fixate on those ideas. When they have a goal in mind like that, which they are convinced is "pure" and will somehow please God - not the devil - give them enough opportunity and means and they will follow through with it, or die trying.
However, the only time Andrea has shown an inclination to harm herself was last year (or was it early this year?) when she began really getting glimpses of reality back, after years of treatment at the prison mental hospital in Rusk. They rushed her to a hospital in Galveston and have since kept her wrapped up in cotton batting to prevent another psychotic break.
Yeesh, nobody cares if the rest of us go a little nuts over everyday life, but our taxes go to keep "poor little Andrea Pia" from flipping out yet again - even though she's not where she could hurt anyone else or even herself.
I'm not happy with this verdict and I had not heard that Rosenthal had made his decision already not to ever prosecute for the other two children. Last night he was undecided. I was hanging my hopes on that and intended to send some prayers that direction. *sigh*
Well, just looked up Andrea's bout of suicidal ideation that was made public. In my post, I said I thought it was last year or early this year - ha ha on me.
She stopped eating and lost 20 pounds and they had to put her in the hospital in Galveston. It was exactly 2 years ago last week, in July 2004. *time flies but I'm not having fun*
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/insanity/1.html
... which gives statistics as to just how rarely this defense works.
Thanks, I have read it before. Will discuss another time when I'm not so rushed as right now.
I never said I loved the murderer.
I think there is a reasonable chance that she was insane.
You have a need to avenge inside yourself that I just don't have.
Wasn't bringing God into the picture. He may forgive murder, but there is still a debt to be paid. The karmic seeds planted by such an action will come to fruition in either this life or the next.
I wonder, are insane people destined to be lost? How can they avoid karmic debt?
I thought this was Buddhist hell.
You are right. I feel the need to avenge the taking of five innocent lives by the one person who ought to have given her own life to protect theirs.
Of course the woman is to blame but insane people do not have adequately functioning brains. Some people have bad hearts, bad stomachs - others have brains that malfunction.
In a case with the mentally defective, the sane people around her - like a husband - have to be the ones to pick up the slack and protect the children - not increase the onslaught on the ill one.
So, since he chose to ignore the dangers, chose to ignore the doctors and continue with his view of his rights and desires - he is at fault for NOT protecting the children in her care.
First of all, you know nothing about this situation other than what you read in the papers so you are in no position to judge the actions of the father who could not have known his wife would drown all their children. You can't read his mind. So to blame him with the benefit of hindsight is shallow reasoning.
Probably all murderers have inadequate brain functions to some extent or they wouldn't kill innocent people. Andrea rationalized she was helping her children by killing them. We have liberal people almost as warped in how they reason and they are not considered legally insane.
Since we can't read their minds how are we as a society to deal with murderers? The only rational way is to execute murderers and let God sort it all out.
Well, get the laws changed then.
Seems you are really super protective of the husband. Wonder why he is to have no blame, wonder why the one committing the murders is the only one who had the responsibility for those children.
Guess if a woman has a heart attack, you would expect her to still clean, care for the children and cook.
Do you say there are no mental problems in society? If so, why are the deranged in institutions? Why aren't they in the work force earning their way? If the brain can have no damage then put them all to work, let them all take care of their families, let them run the country.
Afterall, there are no disfunctioning brains, they are just using that as an excuse.
Yates being pronounced not guilty represents a flaw in judicial logic, IMHO. There should be in our system of justice the possibility of finding an accused "guilty, but not culpable by reason of insanity."
Incidentally, I belive criminal law draws a distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent." This was brought out, as I recall, in the instance of OJ, who was found "not guilty" but not "innocent," and presumably to this very day continues his search for the "real killer." (I suspect he shaves without using a mirror).
Perhaps a real lawyer would care to comment on this.
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