Posted on 07/26/2006 4:25:54 AM PDT by greasepaint
Yes have you.
You must understand Israel's position, they are fricken surrounded by the enemy.
I do understand it and so does Israel.
You talk about Israel using brute force ok war game it for me.
Tell me what you think Israel will do in Palestine, in Lebanon.
Tell me how you think the rest of the Middle East will react.
Israel war games these scenarios everyday, as does America.
I am sorry to say that I do understand what I am talking about.
In battle its not just what can I do its like chess I do this, they do that and so on.
I've been thinking for awhile about what the islamic response would be to a high tech. western terrorist group.
WTC goes up and is followed by an A-bomb taking out an islamic city or a few dozen significant islamic sights. All western states say, "Talk to the hand. Its not us. Its these pesky terrorists that we have no control over."
Have you ever spoken to one of these freaks? .
Yes have you.
Me too. Sad to say way too many times to count and continue to do so to this day.
You must understand Israel's position, they are fricken surrounded by the enemy.
I do understand it and so does Israel.
I truly believe that they understand far too well their position and it is because they are left with almost no options that this may happen in my lifetime. It is the fault of the UN and weak ass govts that it will come to this. If the UN had follwed up on their empty resolution Israel would not be in the precarious situation it is in now. It seems the new in vouge thing to do is to try negotiations with terrorists. All they will do is a lessons learned, an assessment on which countries are too weak to force hezbollah and other terrorist organizations out of power, and then regroup and try new tactics.
You talk about Israel using brute force ok war game it for me.
Tell me what you think Israel will do in Palestine, in Lebanon.
Tell me how you think the rest of the Middle East will react.
Israel war games these scenarios everyday, as does America.
I am sorry to say that I do understand what I am talking about.
I will have to get back to you on this. I have spent some time thinking about it but it is truly a no win situation. Some of the Arab countries are in favor of the destruction of Hezbollah but only because they pose a threat to those same countries but only because their govt is moderate and the extremists want to overthrow them as well. To the terrorists those Arab leaders are infidels and are to be killed.
In battle its not just what can I do its like chess I do this, they do that and so on.
I have a coworker who once said, "how do you expect me to win a game when I have to follow all the rules yet my adversary has none?" Just imagine playing a game of chess with one of these maniacs and you play by the rules and they do whatever they want.....you can't win that game unles you start breaking the rules.
Is the option to be a gentleman loser or to win the game?
There are rules of law, there are rules of law there are also rules of reality.
That is what i am talking about.
You have already explained a rule of Middle East reality.
Some of the Arab countries are in favor of the destruction of Hezbollah but only because they pose a threat to those same countries but only because their govt is moderate and the extremists want to overthrow them as well.
Israel knows this as well.
These Arab leaders are sitting on powder kegs, it is in Israels and America favour to keep these countries if not friendly at least neutral.
If Israel uses its military to its full effect in Lebanon or against the Palestinians what will happen in these third countries.
What will be the effect of a Islamic revolution in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
When I talk about chess I am not talking about the rules of the game I am thinking about thinking 10 12 moves ahead.
I understand what you are saying really I do but my point which I have seen first hand is that we are the only ones observing the rules of law. It is not fair and it is what is getting our people killed. The problem is that we have not yet come to the realization that we are fighting animals and must fight them with that understanding. My point about chess is that you can not win a battle following the rules if your enemy does not have any and uses those rules against you. They are not stupid, the are really good at using our weaknesses against us (UN, Law of Land warfare, Geneva, the US media).
I don't want to sound harsh but fairness has nothing to do with it, and that is coming from a man who had to stand there in uniform while youths chucked rocks and petrol bombs at him.
re:The problem is that we have not yet come to the realization that we are fighting animals and must fight them with that understanding.
And what should we do, ok I have nothing against a shoot to kill policy, I have nothing against tracking down the leaders and eliminating them in covert operations. I have nothing against discovering weapon caches and booby trapping them. I have nothing against bribery and corruption to break up gangs.
But a lot of those Rules Of Engagement for the street patrols is to make sure that they think before and on patrol.
The problem is we are operating on there home ground, to win we need the support of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact we are out there supporting there governments we helped to install.
Killing large amounts of their people while trying to get the terrorists will not make the job of stabilizing those countries any easier.
And I want them stable LOL don't want to do another tour .
Its the same for Israel, Israel will only truly have peace when she is surrounded by stable states, such as Egypt today.
Israel does not have the resources to occupy Lebanon or even part of it that is why she withdrew, she needs a stable Lebanon Government.
That is why she can not go all out, because even if she clears a wide area and destroys Hezabollah it would be fruitless if another grows in its place with a more militant Islamic Lebanon government.
This war will not be won on the streets, they have all the advantages as you have truthfully pointed out, but as I state any attempt to negate those advantages will be short term gain for long term loss.
It will be won in the political, intelligence and covert arena, all our boys out there are doing is holding the line. That may sound harsh when I look back at my career I have to admit most of it was holding the line and friends of mine died, was it worth while well I will let history judge that.
Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany weren't real big followers of the Rules Of War, either.
Just thought I'd mention that.
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LOL I am not some naive idiot, who thinks keep giving in and maybe it will go away.
I am also not some naive idiot who thinks firepower firepower and firepower will win the day.
read by reply 28 then comment on it, I am a bit lazy and don't want to recover the arguments and debates as they unfolded.
Now....that's a great point.
Let a private sector group do the attacks. Is there a shyster lawyer brave enough to sue them?
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