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To: Just mythoughts
I guess one would need know what the "it" is that was to be overturned three times.

The thing that gets me is that, that verse, translated from the Hebrew (see JPS Bible online) is nothing like what British Israelism claims it to be.

31 thus saith the L-rd GOD: The mitre shall be removed, and the crown taken off; this shall be no more the same: that which is low shall be exalted, and that which is high abased. 32 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin, will I make it; this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is, and I will give it him.

I guess one would need know what the "it" is that was to be overturned three times. My guess would be that the "it" is that Stone of Scone, or some call Jacob's pillar that just recently was returned to Scotland.

I've read about it, stuff like E Raymond Capt's "Stone of Destiny" but I'm not sold. Interesting study though - Jacob's Pillar I mean, and the idea that the same rock upon which he rested his head was the same rock from which Moses obtained precious water for the Israelites. Not sure I buy that it is the same one that sat under the British/Scottish throne forever. It might be, but the "proof" seems spotty.

What is pointed to is the future as it is Christ that is to be the He that has the right to "it".

Meaning the throne of David? Agreed. The whole promise from Jeremiah 33, again from the JPS Bible -

14 Behold, the days come, saith HaShem, that I will perform that good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and concerning the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause a shoot of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely; and this is the name whereby she shall be called, HaShem is our righteousness. 17 For thus saith HaShem: There shall not be cut off unto David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18 neither shall there be cut off unto the priests the Levites a man before Me to offer burnt-offerings, and to burn meal-offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

I agree with the rest of your post, re Abraham, Esau and Jacob. Sending you freepmail.

118 posted on 07/25/2006 7:45:01 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
"31 thus saith the L-rd GOD: The mitre shall be removed, and the crown taken off; this shall be no more the same: that which is low shall be exalted, and that which is high abased. 32 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin, will I make it; this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is, and I will give it him."

The Hebrew word overturn is
`avvah
av-vaw'
intensive from '`avah' (5753) abbreviated; overthrow:--X overturn.

Which comes from the 5753
`avah
aw-vaw'
a primitive root; to crook, literally or figuratively (as follows):--do amiss, bow down, make crooked, commit iniquity, pervert, (do) perverse(-ly), trouble, X turn, do wickedly, do wrong.

So three times there would be a changing of shall we say the holder of that 'mitre and crown' before the One whose right it is to have returns for it.
121 posted on 07/25/2006 8:02:23 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: agrace

The more apropos chapter is listed below.
Putin has sold nukes to the muslims to boost his nations fallen dreams and show the world that they still matter. He miscalculated and now he's got to cover up his evil deeds. Somebodies going to use one of Putin's weapons very soon and then he's got to cover it up. That is the hook in the jaw which forces Russia to attack Israel.

YECHEZCHIAL
(Book of Ezekiel)
Chapter 38

Yechezchial 37

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And the word of HaShem came unto me, saying:
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'Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
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and say: Thus saith the L-rd GOD: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal;
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and I will turn thee about, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed most gorgeously, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords:
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Persia, Cush, and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet;
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Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah in the uttermost parts of the north, and all his bands; even many peoples with thee.
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Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou guarded of them.
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After many days thou shalt be mustered for service, in the latter years thou shalt come against the land that is brought back from the sword, that is gathered out of many peoples, against the mountains of Israel, which have been a continual waste; but it is brought forth out of the peoples, and they dwell safely all of them.
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And thou shalt ascend, thou shalt come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many peoples with thee.
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Thus saith the L-rd GOD: It shall come to pass in that day, that things shall come into thy mind, and thou shalt devise an evil device;
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and thou shalt say: I will go up against the land of unwalled villages; I will come upon them that are at quiet, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates;
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to take the spoil and to take the prey; to turn thy hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and against the people that are gathered out of the nations, that have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the middle of the earth.
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Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the magnates thereof, shall say unto thee: Comest thou to take the spoil? hast thou assembled thy company to take the prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take great spoil?

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Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog: Thus saith the L-rd GOD: In that day when My people Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
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And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army;
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and thou shalt come up against My people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the end of days, and I will bring thee against My land, that the nations may know Me, when I shall be sanctified through thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
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Thus saith the L-rd GOD: Art thou he of whom I spoke in old time by My servants the prophets of Israel, that prophesied in those days for many years, that I would bring thee against them?
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And it shall come to pass in that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the L-rd GOD, that My fury shall arise up in My nostrils.
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For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath have I spoken: Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
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so that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field and all creeping things that creep upon the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at My presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
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And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the L-rd GOD; every man's sword shall be against his brother.
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And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will cause to rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing shower, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
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Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself, and I will make Myself known in the eyes of many nations; and they shall know that I am HaShem.


176 posted on 07/26/2006 3:42:05 PM PDT by STD (Rough Sailing Directly Ahead)
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