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"They base this claim on the "overturn, overturn, overturn" prophecy of Ezekiel 21:27, which seems more than a stretch to me, for various reasons."

I guess one would need know what the "it" is that was to be overturned three times. My guess would be that the "it" is that Stone of Scone, or some call Jacob's pillar that just recently was returned to Scotland.

What is pointed to is the future as it is Christ that is to be the He that has the right to "it".

Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto Him shall the gathering of the people be.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

v7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.'

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

The promises given to Abraham and that his seed would be as the stars of heaven and the sands of the sea means the number would be very large.

Further given Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

So at the beginning are two sons Jacob and Esau each with a destiny already planned to even this day.

I guess one would need know what the "it" is that was to be overturned three times.

The thing that gets me is that, that verse, translated from the Hebrew (see JPS Bible online) is nothing like what British Israelism claims it to be.

31 thus saith the L-rd GOD: The mitre shall be removed, and the crown taken off; this shall be no more the same: that which is low shall be exalted, and that which is high abased. 32 A ruin, a ruin, a ruin, will I make it; this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is, and I will give it him.

I guess one would need know what the "it" is that was to be overturned three times. My guess would be that the "it" is that Stone of Scone, or some call Jacob's pillar that just recently was returned to Scotland.

I've read about it, stuff like E Raymond Capt's "Stone of Destiny" but I'm not sold. Interesting study though - Jacob's Pillar I mean, and the idea that the same rock upon which he rested his head was the same rock from which Moses obtained precious water for the Israelites. Not sure I buy that it is the same one that sat under the British/Scottish throne forever. It might be, but the "proof" seems spotty.

What is pointed to is the future as it is Christ that is to be the He that has the right to "it".

Meaning the throne of David? Agreed. The whole promise from Jeremiah 33, again from the JPS Bible -

14 Behold, the days come, saith HaShem, that I will perform that good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and concerning the house of Judah. 15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause a shoot of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land. 16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely; and this is the name whereby she shall be called, HaShem is our righteousness. 17 For thus saith HaShem: There shall not be cut off unto David a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18 neither shall there be cut off unto the priests the Levites a man before Me to offer burnt-offerings, and to burn meal-offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

I agree with the rest of your post, re Abraham, Esau and Jacob. Sending you freepmail.