[DJ MacWoW]

but getting them to adulthood is your responsibility as a parent and obedience and manners are not optional. Without them, if they do reach adulthood, they won't go far or last long.

Sadly, we have forgotten the words "manners" and "obedience".

[Warren_Piece]

Sadly, we have forgotten the words "manners" and "obedience". .

We agree. My children are very well-mannered and obedient, especially for this day and time. We just use a different approach to get there. I think expectations play more into it than anything. Children rise to the level of expectations.

I'd say the only difference between our approaches is that for me, obedience means they are ready for more freedom. Disobedience means less freedom. And that has applied from the youngest of ages. We really aren't that different. Just the natural differences in approaches between Moms and Dads. And a little generational stuff.

I thought I'd at least get some kudos for spanking my children when they were younger! ;)

[Badray]

Some people are of the opinion that rudeness will get their wheels greased faster. Even here.