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Some Californians set to begin 11-digit dialing
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | July 23, 2006 | Dan Laidman

Posted on 07/23/2006 4:15:21 PM PDT by South40

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To: basil

In Texas it's 10 digit dialing.


41 posted on 07/23/2006 6:03:28 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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To: tophat9000

True, but I hear about more and more people who are now using their cell phones as their ONLY phone -- and simply doing away with the land line altogether.


42 posted on 07/23/2006 6:04:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: South40
Kalifornia 2006: Press "1" for English

Kalifornia 2007: Press "1100001" for English
43 posted on 07/23/2006 6:04:51 PM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: dalereed
Totally stupid, they should make all numbers 8 digits and they increase all of them by 10 million.

You need to spend some time in some competent telecom books. Pay attention to the development of the switching network and dialing plans. The choice of 7 digit number was made because that's the ideal number for humans to remember. Early in the life of the network, the second digit of the 3 digit prefix disallowed the use of digits 0 and 1. That is how the area codes were discerned. The needs for additional numbers and the advent of electronic switching allowed the use of 0 or 1 in the second digit. That expanded the available phone numbers in an area code, but required dialing a country code first. The country code for the United States is conveniently "1".

Area code splits are a hell of a lot of work. I've worked a bunch of them during the years at PacBell. Doing an overlay is comparatively simple.

I remember when they did it in Los Angeles from 6 to 7 digits to increase the numbers.

You're old enough to remember that point in time. The original switching machines were designed for numbers in the range of 0000->9999. The digits above that were used to select the outgoing trunks to another switching office. The "magic" 3 digit area code with 1 or 0 as the second digit did the long distance mapping from area code to area code. The next 3 digits did the end office selection. The last 4 digits mapped to a customer line.

44 posted on 07/23/2006 6:16:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Alberta's Child
True, but I hear about more and more people who are now using their cell phones as their ONLY phone -- and simply doing away with the land line altogether.

That sounds like such a good idea, but if you have more than 2 people living in a house, and the main two are gone, with their cells, the others are left w/o a phone.

45 posted on 07/23/2006 6:18:26 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: dalereed; All
The story behind area codes and how they were assigned is a fascinating one.

Area codes were instituted way back when rotary phones were "state-of-the-art," so they were assigned in a way that allowed the largest number of users to take the least amount of time to dial the numbers. All area codes back then had a 1 or 0 as the middle digit. The largest cities were assigned area codes with a 1 in the middle and with low numbers as the first and third digits -- since these would dial the fastest on a rotary phone (it took several moments to dial a 9 or a 0 back then, when you had to wait for the dial to rotate all the way back into place before dialing the next number).

This is how New York City ended up with an area code of 212 -- the area code that dialed faster than any other on the old rotary phones. Los Angeles (213) and Chicago (312) were next in line in terms of "dial speed" followed by Detroit (313), Dallas (214), Pittsburgh (412), St. Louis (314), etc. Notice how the original area codes for many of the large cities in the country all had a "1" in the middle -- including Philadelphia (215), Cleveland (216), Indianapolis (317), Milwaukee (414), San Francisco (415), Toronto, Ontario (416), etc.

Conversely, most area codes with a 0 in the middle and high numbers for the first and third digits were very rural (or had very limited phone service) at the time these area codes were put in place. The most cumbersome area code to dial was the one for the "Inland Empire" of California (909), followed by others like central New Jersey (908), the Dominican Republic (809), Hawaii (808), Alaska (907), Newfoundland (709), western Ontario (807), and the area that is now Chicago's southern suburbs (708).

46 posted on 07/23/2006 6:21:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: South40
Then there's the prestige factor.

“People are very aware of the 310 area code,” said Darren Lewis, a manager in the music industry who works in Santa Monica. “It has a cachet.”

LOL! Somehow, Mr. Lewis, I think you'll live through this.

Now, if Lewis adds another phone line to his office, it will start with 424, which he expects will confuse the many people he deals with on the East Coast.

“People are going to wonder where you are,” he said.

Eventually they'll figure it out. Buck up, cowboy! It ain't the end of the world.

47 posted on 07/23/2006 6:24:42 PM PDT by Drew68
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I think Ca-li-for-nee-uh has 41 area codes now, 7 in the SF bay area alone.


48 posted on 07/23/2006 6:34:29 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: Melas

11? Most of Texas is 10 digit dialing. Where is the extra digit?

I formerly worked in the yellow pages industry. If I understand it correctly, in California, they dial 1 before the number, even if it is a local call. They have not had 10 digit dialing up until now.

Someone mentioned 713 & 281 in Houston as being a geographical split. When Houston and Dallas got new area codes in the mid 90's, there was originally a geographic split. Houston inside of Beltway 8 kept 713, while outlying areas got the new 281. Same in Dallas, where everything inside of LBJ Freeway kept 214, and the outlying areas got 972. After a few years, in an attempt to preserve phone numbers, those imaginary boundaries were removed, and 713/281 and 214/972 were overlaid on top of each other. In addition, 832 was overlaid on top of 713/281, and 469 was overlaid on top of 214/972.

In Houston, it is possible to have a 713 number for your landline, a 281 number for your fax line, and an 832 number for your cell phone. Same in Dallas with 214/972/469.


49 posted on 07/23/2006 6:35:33 PM PDT by Not A Democrat
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To: Myrddin

" The choice of 7 digit number was made because that's the ideal number for humans to remember."

Those people shouldn't have telephones.

I probably know 20 phone #s that I use, my SS#, bank account #s, etc. and never write any of them down.


50 posted on 07/23/2006 6:37:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Not A Democrat

10 digits in Mass.: 617-XXX-XXXX, 978-YYY-YYYY, etc.

It'd odd when I visit a state with only one area code and on the radio, on TV, or in the papers when they give a number out (like in an ad or something) it's _only_ 7 digits!


51 posted on 07/23/2006 6:39:53 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Not A Democrat

We still have to dial 1 before the area code, except on a cell phone.

I'm currently in 760, 858 is a few miles south, as is 619 and we have to dial 1 before the number.

At my home in Glendale, 818, I have to dial 1 to dial my office 6 miles away in Loa Angeles.


52 posted on 07/23/2006 6:43:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Xenalyte

You have to dial "1" first before dialing an area code. That's the 11th digit.


53 posted on 07/23/2006 6:58:21 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Yes, I used this same joke on Flag Day. So sue me. It's America.)
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To: dalereed
Fortunately the people doing the operations research had a broad sample of people to discern what the average limit should be for the average human. It doesn't make sense to target a product that is only usable by the top 1% of the population if you expect to achieve broad acceptance.

I routinely dial huge strings of digits to reach people. The company card access number is 11 digits to the prompt, 14 digits for my "pin", then 11 digits to call a number in the United States. It's particularly irritating when I call my colleague at his office in Mclean, VA and discover he's not there. I get to do the whole 36 digit dance again for his cell phone.

I would love to automate this nonsense, but the carrier has an indeterminate period between dialing the access number and the time it will start accepting digits. If you don't wait out the double beep and voice announcement, you may have to dial the whole 11 digit access sequence again. Very annoying.

54 posted on 07/23/2006 7:18:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SaveTheChief

No kidding - how strange that they are just now doing this! Of course, we don't have to dial 1 unless it's long-distance; ours is just 10 digits. Honestly, I thought everybody had it now.


55 posted on 07/23/2006 7:24:10 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: South40

No .. actually it started with the new internet phones. I already have to dial 10 numbers even if I call a local number.


56 posted on 07/23/2006 7:28:34 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: South40

We live in a town so small that when someone asks for a phone number, you just give them the last four digits.


57 posted on 07/23/2006 7:34:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: encm(ss)

Long distance? It's just a money making scheme. With everything so computerized these days, it doesn't really cost them extra.


58 posted on 07/23/2006 7:36:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mark
"It all started with the damn ZIP Codes. Now the end is near!!"

We're also running out of IP addresses lol. That's being fixed though.

59 posted on 07/23/2006 7:39:11 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: tophat9000
Cell providers fight that tooth & nail.

but if you have a cell in the same area you would has a 3 digit cell network "area code" prefix that would only be for cell phones

60 posted on 07/23/2006 7:44:10 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Ever had Vuja de? That feeling that you've never ever been here before? :)
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