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Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative
CBS News ^ | July 22, 2006 | Thalia Assuras

Posted on 07/22/2006 8:45:38 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: BarbaricGrandeur

Sorry. My apologies. Guess I get a little prickly around 2:00 AM.


221 posted on 07/24/2006 11:08:07 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Rembrandt_fan
When referring to elites, I meant economic elites.

So that's you, did you see me make that distinction?

'Liberal elites' and 'media elites' and so on aren't usually the elites that populists--historically--have referred to.

Not the ones you acknowledge as such anyway.

222 posted on 07/24/2006 11:08:41 PM PDT by BarbaricGrandeur
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To: West Coast Conservative
home is a tranquil place that allows Buckley to think and write, and spend time with his canine companion, Sebastian.

"You can say any fool thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, `By God, you're RIGHT! I NEVER would've thought of that!"...Dave Barry, I believe.

How sad this guy ends up bitter in his old age. No one pays enough attention anymore, I guess. Must be tough.

223 posted on 07/24/2006 11:11:08 PM PDT by daybreakcoming ("We will not tire. We will not falter. We will not fail")
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Sorry. My apologies. Guess I get a little prickly around 2:00 AM.

I can understand that, don't worry about it. Anyway, if you will forgive me for being a little inane ;) , I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this whole issue.

224 posted on 07/24/2006 11:11:26 PM PDT by BarbaricGrandeur
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To: BarbaricGrandeur

You wrote, "Not the ones you acknowledge as such anyway."

I have no idea what that sentence means. Are you saying that I don't recognize the existence of such elites because I lack the discernment to recognize them as such, or what?


225 posted on 07/24/2006 11:16:41 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Your comment is appreciated. Yesterday afternoon I was listening to Rush and the great grandson of Winston Churchill called to speak about the President. Essentially what he said was that history obliged Churchill to take enormously unpopular stands and he was viscously attacked by his opponents.
History will decide on the legacy of this President, I think WFB in his interview merely stated the obvious. My understanding is that during the Battle of Britain Churchill's legacy looked pretty bleak. Two years before the end of his Presidency RWR's legacy was not shining all that bright either due to Iran Contra.
It bothers me when these dogmatic conservatives shoot from the lip, ridicule and trivialize Mr. Buckley without regard for his great contribution to what they supposedly believe in.
226 posted on 07/25/2006 2:09:39 AM PDT by spatso
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Are you saying that I don't recognize the existence of such elites because I lack the discernment to recognize them as such, or what?

It's not an issue of your "lack of discernment." More your fixation on professed ideology. I wish you would not jump to the most negative interpretation.

Anyway I was thinking more of the Populists themselves. You don't acknowledge populist rhetoric as such, unless it is classist. It often is classist, but it need not be. It could for example be cultural, or racist, or even meta-ideological (if you establish one ideology for the "common man" and one for say the "Washington elite").

227 posted on 07/25/2006 2:55:13 AM PDT by BarbaricGrandeur
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To: BlackElk

Ping


228 posted on 04/01/2007 12:44:03 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Probably not, but I don't know that we can hold on to or recapture what conservatism meant in the postwar period.

On the one hand, in those years you could be as vocally anti-government or anti-modernity as you wanted to be. On the other hand, the demands of the Cold War meant that one would have to put up with a lot of government and a lot of modernity.

With the end of the Cold War, things have gotten more confused. Nowadays, the anti-government and the activist foreign policy communities and messages are split. One can't talk both languages at the same time.

Nixon could be a "big government conservative," because other conservatives agreed that he'd made all the right enemies. Bush is more or less a BGC as Nixon was, but you don't have that clear polarity of choices that existed in the Cold War years -- capitalism vs. communism, and free markets vs. socialism.

Instead, the "cut government at home" and the "spread freedom around the world" camps and messages are in conflict, so it's harder to place Bush as securely as Nixon as a conservative or honorary conservative.

229 posted on 04/01/2007 12:58:22 PM PDT by x
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To: West Coast Conservative
Personally, I tend to agree that Bush was not "conservative" in his approach to Iraq.

I didn't, and don't, favor the "conservative" approach to Iraq. Just because something merits the label "conservative" and another thing doesn't, doesn't automatically make the former the better choice. In the case of Iraq, Democrats were conservative and Bush was not. So be it.

230 posted on 04/01/2007 1:01:38 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is news? Not to anyone who has been awake for the last seven years.


231 posted on 04/01/2007 1:06:43 PM PDT by rodomila
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To: TradicalRC
See, that is why infallibility attaches only to the papacy and not even to the long time and founding editor of National Review. Bill is simply getting old. So is this article and CBS is not a respectable source.

General Douglas MacArthur: "In war, there is no substitute for victory."

232 posted on 04/02/2007 12:23:24 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Merely pointing out that even “credentialed” conservatives might disagree with Black Elk. Alas, Buckley is too old and I am too young. What is it like being the perfect age?


233 posted on 04/02/2007 4:27:01 PM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: TradicalRC

Dubya is hardly perfect. Bush the Elder was far worse being willing to substitute diployak for action and leaving the Iraq mes to be cleaned up definitively later. Ronaldus Maximus retired eighteen years ago and then died. Your point is????????????


234 posted on 04/02/2007 10:57:17 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: TradicalRC

Dubya is hardly perfect. Bush the Elder was far worse being willing to substitute diployak for action and leaving the Iraq mes to be cleaned up definitively later. Ronaldus Maximus retired eighteen years ago and then died. Your point is????????????


235 posted on 04/02/2007 11:02:38 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: perfect stranger

WFB is insulted by a lot of people here because, I’ll contend, he, like me, is Catholic and from CT/NYC. That, and perhaps he has not consumed, headily, too much of the new conservative movement.


236 posted on 04/29/2007 3:35:15 PM PDT by patrick10801
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