Posted on 07/22/2006 10:43:04 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
My country has been "torn to shreds,"said Fouad Siniora, the prime minister of Lebanon, as the death toll among his people passed 300 civilian dead, 1000 wounded, with half a million homeless.
Israel must pay for the "barbaric destruction," said Siniora.
To the contrary, says columnist Lawrence Kudlow, "Israel is doing the Lord's work."
On American TV, former Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu says the ruination of Lebanon is Hezbollah's doing. But is it Hezbollah that is using U.S.-built F-16s, with precision-guided bombs and 155-mm artillery pieces to wreak death and devastation on Lebanon?
No, Israel is doing this with the blessing and without a peep of protest from President Bush. And we wonder why they hate us. . . .
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A fellow named Adolph had ideas similar to Pat. I'm certain Adolph would approve of Hezbollah. It seems politics is a circle, the extreme right and the extreme left are not so far apart.
"Jews have the same split as do Christians."
Christians are at least 60% Conservative Rebublican. I would guess Jews are close to 90% Liberal Democrat.
Not quite, razzle. There are quite a number of Jews who are Republicans and the number is growing. If W got at least 25% of the Jewish vote in '04 (admittedly he deserved to get a lot more), your numbers don't quite add up. Furthermore, Ronald Reagan got something close to 40% among Jews in 1980, and I doubt if too many of those came from "Liberal Democrats."
When ChessMaster said, "Jews have the same split as do Christians," I would think that he was making a qualitative, rather than quantitative, statement.
As for your statement "Christians are at least 60% Conservative Republican," the accuracy of that would depend on whether you are using a narrower or broader definition of "Christian."
Excuses, excuses. Self-aggrandizing attempt to turn bigotry into martydom and selling out Israel in the process. If the liberal Jews won't help Israel (and is anyone noticing a state with a large Jewish population about to kick out the only pro-Israel Dem Senator?), evangelicals will not be able to hold the line for very long.
"There are quite a number of Jews who are Republicans and the number is growing."
I hope you are right. As you say, it seems odd that the Conservatives are usually (except the Bucannan crowd) very pro-Isreal and get only 25% of their vote. Could the pro-America thing be a turnoff to the Jews. I hear of some American Jews saying they have more allegience to Israel than America and they have been here many generations.
Most American Jews are from families that settled in the US in the late 19th and very early twentieth centuries from eastern Europe (before Israel existed as a nation). They are Americans first, but don't see any contradiction between support for the US and support for Israel, since both are fighting a common enemy for the most part and have been allies for years. The pro-America thing is a turnoff to some Jews just as it is a turnoff to many whose politics were formed in the Vietnam antiwar movement. But leftist Jews, like others who swallowed much of the American counterculture back then, are - as a group - NOT particularly inclined to be pro-Israel, especially in its current war effort vs. the Islamofascists. (Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.)
If you measure allegiance to Israel with population movements, American Jewish migration to Israel is much lower statistically than Jewish migration to Israel from many other countries.
Disagree. Evangelicals don't give a hoot about others who may not help Israel. Their support for Israel is sincere and derives from Biblical teachings which are not subject to change by the whims of other groups.
What do hoots have to do with it? Whatever hoots evangelicals continue to give, and they'll continue--it's not enough to stem the tide that has turned against Israel. The Democrats used to be pro-Israel. US Jews (liberal, too) used to be pro-Israel. Europeans used to be ashamed of their antisemite past. All that has changed. The religious right in America is not big enough to turn the ship of state in Israel's direction indefinitely.
Unfortunately Pat's viewpoint is solely focused on American isolationism and he'll whistle in the wind and cover his eyes until the battle is waged on our shores. Then he'll consider limited action.
He's old and cranky and not liable to want to take the battle to the enemy.
While he recognizes the enemy, he could easily write an article countering his isolanist position.
But we won't see it. Not until it's much too late. Then no one will care what he says. I know at this point I don't.
You either believe the battle must be taken to the enemy or you don't.
And Pat is now in the latter category with all the liberals, leftists, anarchists, Quakers and appeasers.
I wish him a happy retirement.
You should not count your 90% percentage of Jews as liberal Democrats.
That is unless you are using New York City as your model where original thinking is not permitted or the US as a whole.
The Jews in Israel are most certainly not Liberal Democrats. And they are the Jews who count the most, because they will fight for their survival.
Excellent analysis of the Pat Buchanan problem. The good news is that the more he talks the more he makes a fool of himself.
The fact that Democrats used to be pro-Israel but are no longer - as a broad generalization - has no relevance to US Middle East policy until and unless they are in the White House. Hopefully, that won't happen again in our lifetimes, if ever.
When you claim, "the religious right in America is not big enough to turn the ship of state in Israel's direction indefinitely," that might depend on other factors, assuming the GOP is in control of the executive branch. Those would include: (1) Do Israel's and America's global interests mesh, as they apparently do now - in the common war on terror? (2) Does the religious right retain sufficient political clout within the GOP base to have a strong voice within the future Republican administration? (3) How much influence will other pro-Israel parts of the GOP base - e. g., neocons, the defense establishment, and secular hawks - have on that future administration?
Fortunately, things seemed to be aligned in a direction favorable to Israel right now, and hopefully they can continue that way at least until the war on terror is won.
Excellent analysis in both posts # 55 and # 56.
Well, RReagan got over thirty percent of the Jewish vote. Bush got 25-26%. If there's a less pro-Israel Senator than Kerry...?
76% of the US Jewish vote going for Kerry may not rise to 90%, but when you realize that only 25% are conservative...!
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