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Defanging Hezbollah: A Directed Energy Defense Could Help
The Heritage Foundation ^ | July 20, 2006 | James Jay Carafano

Posted on 07/22/2006 3:07:27 AM PDT by Paul Ross

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To: Tom Bombadil

Harbor Freight Co. has a battery-powered, racquet-shaped bug zapper (1500 volts) that my wife really likes for the occasional bug that sneaks in, on sale for $2.99.


21 posted on 07/22/2006 6:33:08 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: Paul Ross; namsman

I like the sound wave weapons that cause instant loss of bowel control. Let's see those deployed against the muzzies!!


22 posted on 07/22/2006 6:41:28 AM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Paul Ross
Very cool. You could also probably vary the beam intensity fairly easily and obviously maximum intensity would be restricted by cooling rates of the mirror. Wonder if you can use smaller combined beams (4 small beams that come together on target). That might make heat more manageable. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the info.

Later.

23 posted on 07/22/2006 7:07:34 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Paul Ross

And who or what would prevent the excremists from polishing their rockets to mirror finish to deflect away most of the laser energy? It is very cheap, too, in comparison with THEL. With shells and mortars it is more tricky as powder gases leave their residue.


24 posted on 07/22/2006 8:25:12 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Paul Ross
Watch the dynamics change once the Air-born Laser is deployed. The devices currently available are effective. However, let the Syria and Iran blow their cash showing the world what a nuisance they are. When it comes to Judgment Day, we will have all our pieces in place and they will have no idea how to neutralize their ability.
25 posted on 07/22/2006 9:21:51 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: GSlob
And who or what would prevent the excremists from polishing their rockets to mirror finish to deflect away most of the laser energy?

Because it doesn't work. This has been tested. It fails because there is too much infrared absorption and "shock kill" destroying the booster structural integrity. This countermeasure was always cavalierly postulated by the bozos at the FAS, Federation of American Scientists, a liberal anti-defense unthink tank (with few real scientists) which the MSM relied on to oppose SDI. Surprising they never admitted when they were debunked.

It is very cheap, too, in comparison with THEL.

Not since it doesn't work.

With shells and mortars it is more tricky as powder gases leave their residue.

Doesn't work for those reasons...and the above. Infrared absorption can't be deflected with mirror finish.

26 posted on 07/22/2006 3:46:16 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross

There are infrared/visual mirrors in the lab, and so there are the mirror materials, some of very high reflectivity. IR and visible light lasers have such mirrors as their parts, so right there one has all the necessary coating materials - no need to re-invent the wheel.


27 posted on 07/22/2006 4:06:18 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: MainFrame65

An indoor bug zapper?


28 posted on 07/22/2006 4:56:59 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Paul Ross
"shock kill"

Some very interesting physics going on there no doubt.

29 posted on 07/22/2006 5:32:34 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: GSlob
The mirrors in the laser need heavy cooling to stay 'functional'. Same 'cooling' problem would apply to mirrored targets, I suspect. A mirrored target would just increase dwell time. Or you could just increase beam intensity or the 'shock kill' (whatever that is).

Concerning the FAS - IMHO There is no such thing as Liberal Scientists. There are in fact Liberal Political Scientists.

30 posted on 07/22/2006 5:39:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Laser beam diverges. Beam energy density on the target is much less than on the laser mirror unless the target is very close, so the heavy cooling on the target might not be necessary. And as for increased dwell time - these lasers work in bursts on the order of one second, maybe two or three.


31 posted on 07/22/2006 5:57:49 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: sinanju

" == An indoor bug zapper? == "

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32 posted on 07/22/2006 6:47:37 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: GSlob

The burst mode makes more sense if you are looking to maximize 'shock kill'. Physical affects are probably slightly similar to a supercavitating underwater torpedo traveling through an underwater thermal break. Temperature and pressure differentials. Yes the beam energy at the primary mirror is going to be greater then the applied target beam energy. The main question would be, how much energy loss per distance, and that my friend is probably heavily classified. Would also be affected by atmospheric conditions.


33 posted on 07/22/2006 8:14:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Well, small lasers [easier to collimate] in rangefinders have beam divergence in the range of 0.5 millirad [aka MIL from mil-dot scope]. Assume the same here and you will not be far off. Thus at 5 km distance the beam would be something like 3 m in diameter. If at the source it is about 1 meter wide, then energy density at 5 km is 1/9th of that on the laser mirror.


34 posted on 07/22/2006 8:24:06 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Zman
"I'd like a mini-version for my key chain to eliminate booming car stereos while I'm stuck in traffic."

I still think a LAW or a TOW are just fine for that purpose. Heck, a .50 BMG would do the job, for that matter! I'm a geek, but let's use proven portable tech here, ok?
35 posted on 07/22/2006 9:26:19 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: GSlob
Since you are conversant with some of the issues, it first needs to be pointed out that the THEL has already proven as an capable missile, warhead, and artillery shell-defense. So the technical objections have already been worked through, albeit they pose issues of limits on range. The theoretical basis for managing beam divergence is discussed in here at note 48:

Richard Saunders, et al., Lasers Operation, Equipment, Application, and Design (New York, NY. McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1980), p. 10. For reference, The lower limit on the divergence (or spreading) of a laser beam is a function of the wavelength of the light and the size of the aperture. And divergence can be reduced by either shifting to shorter wavelengths (higher frequencies) or increasing the size of the aperture. Lasers whose divergence is reduced to the theoretical minimum are categorized as diffraction limited.

36 posted on 07/23/2006 7:13:36 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Dark Skies

Hints of the character of the generally unseen forces controlling/manipulating areas like the Middle East are contained in the bible, specifically in the book of Daniel where the Prince of Persia and of Greece are mentioned. Concepts of this hidden warfare engaged by some few are not limited to biblical times. See the book "Rees Howells, Intercessor" - Norman Grubb, and "Radiant Glory" - Martha Wing Robinson. I am presuming there are others, only these two come to mind as I have read them.
Chief attributes of such warriors are love for the Savior (yes, Jesus Christ), very little remaining self-life, love for fellow man and an unflagging pursuit of the goal: destruction of evil and an ushering in of the Millenial Kingdom. None of this requires the carnage rampant with Islam.
This type of warfare is not engaged by the many, as so few are willing to lay their own lives down to the extent necessary. As you may imagine, such a stripping is not popular.
Of course, no national armies push this offense. We fight in the natural realm, since this is all we know.
Oh, you could also read Ephesians 6: 10 - 18, especially ver 12.
Sufficient elaboration?


37 posted on 07/24/2006 3:17:23 AM PDT by langleyaction
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To: langleyaction
Sufficient elaboration?

Yep...and I agree 1000%.

38 posted on 07/24/2006 5:16:27 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: justa-hairyape
Wonder if you can use smaller combined beams (4 small beams that come together on target). That might make heat more manageable.

It does. In solid-state laser assemblies, they refer to them as "fiber" lasers. Bundling a number together to produce a combined beam. It also helps with beam divergence. In a way, its analogous to the "Gatling Gun" approach. Which allows sustained rates of fire which would otherwise be unmanageable...allowing the unused barrels to cool.

Just my 2 cents. Thanks for the info.

You're welcome.

39 posted on 07/24/2006 6:06:31 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: jonrick46; GSlob; justa-hairyape; norwaypinesavage; Nip
Watch the dynamics change once the ABL is deployed. The devices currentlyavailable are effective.

Check out this follow-on news story:

Northrop Grumman Unveils Skyguard Laser Defense System
Defense Daily, July 25, 2006
By Ann Roosevelt

Northrop Grumman [NOC] this week unveiled Skyguard, the next generation laser-based air defense system that could provide speed-of-light defense for deployed forces, military installations, critical civilian airports, harbors, or industry.

Denied success on the ground, terrorists have taken to the air. Rockets and mortars rain down on U.S. troops and allies in Iraq. The threats are inexpensive, easily available, and even homemade versions have attacked civilian populations, for example, in Israel. Counter fire has often caused civilian casualties, which escalates conflict.

A single Skyguard system can generate a protective shield of about 10 kilometers in diameter, company officials said at a briefing at their Arlington, Va. offices on Wednesday. It can detect, track and destroy--at the speed of light--single or multiple threats from short-range ballistic missiles, short-and long-range rockets, artillery shells, mortars, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, anti-tank guided missiles and man-portable (MANPADs) threats.

"We believe it could be produced in about 18 months," Dan Wildt, director of business development for Directed Energy Systems at Northrop Grumman's Space Technology unit, said. The initial system would likely cost around $150 million to $200 million, while orders for multiple systems could drop the price to around $25 million per copy. It costs about $1,000 a shot, basically the recurring cost of the chemicals.

Northrop Grumman's laser expertise dates back to the 1960s. Skyguard is derived from the successful Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration test bed developed by Northrop Grumman for the U.S. Army and the Israel Ministry of Defense in light of the Katyusha rocket threat to northern Israel.

"We never turned on the laser and failed to hit the target," Wildt said.

THEL claims 46 successful kills against single, multiple and surprise Katyusha rocket attacks, artillery projectiles, large caliber rockets and mortars.

Skyguard has next generation laser, power and computing capability in a platform that is a factor of four times smaller than THEL, which is based on 1980s technology, Wildt said.

"We never turned on the laser and failed to hit the target," Wildt said.


40 posted on 07/25/2006 12:18:19 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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