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Missile tests provided 'windfall of intelligence' to China's PLA (World Tribune)
World Tribune ^ | Thursday, July 20, 2006

Posted on 07/20/2006 2:44:39 PM PDT by BradtotheBone

Beijing was the chief beneficiary of the North Korean missile launches earlier this month, according to Edward Timperlake, a specialist on China’s military. “The PRC played the United States and our allies brilliantly,” Timperlake said.

“The NK missile launches were a windfall of intelligence for the PLA.” China was able to monitor U.S. communications and missile defense system sensor activities, as well as the rules of engagement for using a missile interceptor against a North Korean long-range missile.

China has concluded that the United States has been “awakened” strategically to the growing danger from China and that the shift in forces to the Pacific is one sign.

Other signs include closer alliances with Japan and Taiwan, designed as part of a hedge strategy against China.

Timperlake is co-author of the recently published book, “Showdown: Why China Wants War With the United States,” that proposes possible war scenarios between the United States and China.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armstrade; china; missiles; northjorea; proliferation

1 posted on 07/20/2006 2:44:40 PM PDT by BradtotheBone
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To: BradtotheBone

Another pimp pimping his book?


2 posted on 07/20/2006 2:47:38 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf

This guy puts the uck in horse puckey.


3 posted on 07/20/2006 2:51:16 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: BradtotheBone

This is pure BS. They monitored our response, our communications....in their wildest damp dream.


4 posted on 07/20/2006 3:23:15 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: BradtotheBone

WOW - I NEVER saw that coming.


5 posted on 07/20/2006 3:36:48 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Conservative Goddess

"This is pure BS. "

REally - I'd be interested in your thoughts as my perception was the opposite - if only because there were so many launches in different directions and ranges.


6 posted on 07/20/2006 3:38:40 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Monitoring our communications: Not a chance in hell.

Monitoring our response: Only to the extent that they can detect our radar sweeps. They have no idea what we did with the information.

Understand our protocol/rules of engagement: U-huh. The limp-dong flew for 42 seconds. They have no freakin' idea what our rules of engagement are from a flight of 42 seconds. We would have learned more from a successful flight than they would have. And I wish their flight had been succesful....would have provided us with a target and an opportunity to prove concept.

Any notion that we couldn't IMMEDIATELY detect which was a short range dummy vs. the limp-dong....well....again....they're havin' one of those damp dreams.


7 posted on 07/20/2006 3:53:54 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Conservative Goddess

The Soviets knew where all of our nuclear subs were thanks to the Walker spy ring. Why do you think it is impossible for them to what the atricle mentions?
When you believe a system can't be compromised it probably already has been.


8 posted on 07/20/2006 4:03:41 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Conservative Goddess

"Only to the extent that they can detect our radar sweeps"

Thats all I was implying.


9 posted on 07/20/2006 4:14:44 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: zarf

Edward Timperlake is yet another "China specialist" with a wet dream.


10 posted on 07/20/2006 4:23:16 PM PDT by canoe drummer
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To: em2vn
The Soviets knew where all of our nuclear subs were thanks to the Walker spy ring.

I don't think that's quite correct.

The Walker bunch may have passed on a lot of valuable information, but when a boomer is on a deployment, I believe that only the captain and a few of his senior officers know exactly where they are. They get orders that direct them to cruise around a vast expanse of ocean following a course of the captain's sole choosing, and under most circumstances they do not send back reports of where they are at any given time.

There are quite a few former submariners around here, so perhaps someone with more experience wants to chime in.

-ccm

11 posted on 07/20/2006 4:43:18 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Conservative Goddess
They monitored our response, our communications....in their wildest damp dream.

Well, of course the Chinese intercepted all the electronic signals they could, just as we would have done in similar circumstances. They can't decrypt our communications, but they can do traffic analysis and measure the capabilities of our radar and so forth. All developed nations do stuff like this whenever they get the chance, even against their own allies. There is nothing new or interesting in this man's pathetic flackery for his book.

-ccm

12 posted on 07/20/2006 4:47:08 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: em2vn

U-huh.

We are light years ahead of these buffoons. Kimmy, and Mr. "I-LOVE-JIHAD," might as well be throwing rocks.

If they got anything....they got PRECISELY what we wanted them to get.


13 posted on 07/20/2006 5:37:23 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Conservative Goddess
"U-huh.

We are light years ahead of these buffoons."

You might want to consider where the electronics you and I and the rest of FR are discussing this on came from. Odds are, most of us have "made in china" in microscopic letters all over it.
14 posted on 07/20/2006 5:58:14 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Old Student

But our military hardware does not have "made in china" on it. They manufacture cheaply for the mass market. That does not mean they can crack our systems.


15 posted on 07/20/2006 6:00:45 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: BradtotheBone

Some of the smartest people I ever met I met in the military. I'm sure they had no clue this could happen and needed this guy to clue them in.


16 posted on 07/20/2006 6:11:05 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Conservative Goddess
"But our military hardware does not have "made in china" on it. They manufacture cheaply for the mass market. That does not mean they can crack our systems."

But... two things wrong with your assumption. First, electronics are electronics, and if they are advanced enough to build the stuff you and I are using, they are advanced enough to build stuff that can listen in on our military hardware.

Second, among other things, our stuff is built by contractors who often have to buy from other suppliers; can you guess where most of the electronics in the world are coming from, now? China.

I was a comm troop for the last 12 years of my career, and I've been retired for less than 10 years. The equipment I was working on then is mostly still in use. I sometimes drive past my old unit when I'm on base just to see what's there, and what isn't.
17 posted on 07/20/2006 7:07:02 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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