Posted on 07/19/2006 7:48:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion
Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will receive some high-profile help raising cash Thursday as former President George H.W. Bush headlines fundraisers for him in Los Angeles and Silicon Valley.
The former president will be the "special guest" at both fetes, where a $100,000 platinum sponsorship entitles a donor to head-table seating for two, premiere seating for 10 and six photos with the governor and former president - "two people per photo."
"The governor is very much looking forward to welcoming former President Bush back to California," said Schwarzenegger campaign spokeswoman Katie Levinson, "and he's grateful for his support."
Democrat Phil Angelides, who hopes to deny the governor a second term, is bringing out his party's luminaries for fundraising help, too. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton headlined a $1,000-a-head breakfast for Angelides this month, and former President Bill Clinton will star in an Aug. 1 dinner for the treasurer in Los Angeles.
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What should a conservative do?
Well despite ah-nolds RINO ways, he is FAR better than any democrat breathing that I'm aware of.
A conservative wouldn't have to ask.
What should a conservative do?
Hmmm... such a Conandrum!
WWHH ~ What Would Hillary Hate works for me...
Bingo.
So why the question?
Still no mention of McClintock.
What happened to that 'joint-ticket' thingie?
The campaign spot almost writes itself:
Angelides = Davis
Bill has a dismal record getting anyone but himself elected. Hillary isn't much better.
Schwarzenegger is a REAL REPUBLICAN. Certified by the CAGOP. What you see is what you get.
Because you and certain other of the ilk herd are on record suggesting voting for demonratz, or encouraging the sacraficing of republican votes. In the post following yours another of the herd sows seeds of division. Yeah, what is an ilkster to do?
DW: "A conservative wouldn't have to ask."
AM: "Bingo.
So why the question?"
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I am so glad YOU asked.
It's to have those who keep supporting and campaigning for Angelides, by campaigning for Arnold's defeat right here on FR, to stop calling themselves conservatives. Or to get them to stop campaigning for Angelides, to keep up the pretense of being conservatives.
Anyone helping Angelides win is NO CONSERVATIVE.
Do you have any evidence that would be the outcome?
How many times has that happened in, say, the last 18 years--a moderate/"rino" governor handing over a Governor's seat to a Conservative? Take all 50 states, 18 years, 225 elections. How many times did a Conservative succeed a RINO? Answer: TWO. Two, out of 225 possibilities. Not good odds, even for a bettin' person.
Thanks to fieldmarshaldj for the research and analysis. I would welcome any support and/or analysis for the contrary opinion you posted.
"How many times has that happened in, say, the last 18 years--a moderate/"rino" governor handing over a Governor's seat to a Conservative? "
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Ok, so why don't you and your "research assistant", fieldmarshaldj do some research and tell us:
HOW MANY TIMES DID A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR FOLLOW A LEFT LIBERAL ONE?
YOU are the one who is ignoring history: Davis, who has the charisma of a turnip, beat conservatives Simon and Lundgren by such a huge margin that it was pathetic.
Nobody who has any attachment to reality could possibly think that McClintock's chances of becoming governor would be higher, if he would be running against incumbent Angelides, then running after he's been Lt Gov under Arnold.
HOW MANY TIMES DID A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR FOLLOW A LEFT LIBERAL ONE?"
Say it, don't spray it. Do you want an analysis of all 50 states for the same period that I debunked the myth that a RINO/liberal Republican paves the way for a Conservative ?
"YOU are the one who is ignoring history: Davis, who has the charisma of a turnip, beat conservatives Simon and Lundgren by such a huge margin that it was pathetic."
He beat them both, indeed, but you ignore the reasons why this happened. Lungren had the enormous albatross of Pete Wilson tied around his neck, combined with the fact that he ran a very politically tone-deaf campaign. Simon had a smashing opportunity to beat Davis, but had the problem that the RINO establishment kneecapped him out of the chute AND his own mistakes that he allowed the momentum coming out of his smashing primary victory to peter out by November (you know full well the problem that CA has with such a huge amount of time between the primary and the general). Davis's margin was no "huge margin" in '02, scoring a paltry 47%, 11 full percentage points below his '98 performance (and over 1.3 million fewer votes). Simon, despite a lackluster performance, still scored 42%, 4% higher than Lungren's '98 performance.
"Nobody who has any attachment to reality could possibly think that McClintock's chances of becoming governor would be higher, if he would be running against incumbent Angelides, then running after he's been Lt Gov under Arnold."
I've already proven that they are greater for him than serving under Ah-nold. Have you already forgotten Jerry Brown and how the state (in a BAD GOP year nationally) in 1982 propelled a Conservative to the Governorship with Attorney-General Deukmejian ? That wouldn't have happened if some lackluster RINO boob had been retiring that year -- and we probably would've lost Sam Hayakawa's Senate seat, too.
They are not ignoring history, they are attempting to influence the future. They don't want to see the gubinator in it. What is a ilk to do?
Sure, let's see your great research.
HOW MANY TIMES DID A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR FOLLOW A LEFT LIBERAL ONE?
You have to show THIS too, for your claim to have any validity.
We have a choice between Arnold and Angelides. Please tell us again, why it's better to hand over CA to a leftist and why conservatives should support the leftist? Unless you can prove that leftist Dems are followed by conservatives governors most of the time, your agitation for support for the election of Angelides has just been unmasked as having nothing to do with conservatism, and everything to do with your pushing a leftist Dem on CA.
And of course you don't think that CA's demographics and the Republicans running ultra conservatives has anything to do with ALL elected statewide offices in CA being held by Dems, with the execption of Arnold.
Lundgren was as dull a candiate as could be had, right up there with Matt Fong and Tom Campbell. They had another strike against them , none of them had New Majority backing.
And speaking of reality, is it me or is it getting hot in here? Must be Global Warming, huh? The facts are in, you know. That's what the GUb says, and gosh darn, so does Al Gore and Phil too. Reality sucks, huh?
Keep up your work here, altho the few votes you may commandeer just don't seem like they are worth it as most folks minds are already made up here. But that won't stop you from grandstanding and blasting others who have been here a heckuva lot longer than you and some others who have little to contribute except a Big Tent pole in any hole they can shove it in.
Oh, btw, I won't be voting for Phil and those who imply we have to vote as we are told, well, I guess they are just representative of what the CA GOP has become, a ship adrift in a sea of icebergs and nothing but more spending increases and long-term debt offeirngs on the horizon.
Yup, mighty conservative of you to lambaste those who saw it coming and now are expected to swallow the bitter fruit you so grudgingly offer as the only reasonable choice in the mix.
And you wonder why folks sit out elections and laugh at this state and the Keystone Kops running it deeper into the weeds.
Even La Raza must still be rolling in the aisles after the Gub and company hispandered for their support.
Yup, the Big Tent takes all comers these days. Yet you continue to blame the base for the predicament we all find ourselves in and all you can do is disparage others for the party's own failings, Go figure.
The ilk should stop pretending to be conservatives.
The Clintons are campaigning for Angelides, so does the ilk back off from their tireless work to get Arnold defeated, i.e. getting Angelides elected? NO. Do you suppose they are fans of the Clintons too? I wouldn't be surprised -- anyone who wants Angelides to be governor of CA can NOT claim to be a conservative and have anyone believe it.
The ilk ain't the base.
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