President Finds His Veto Pen (embryo stem cell research)

[Lunatic Fringe]

WASHINGTON (AP) President Bush has issued the first veto of his presidency, rejecting a bill to expand federal research on stem cells obtained from embryos.

[newfarm4000n]

Do you ever feel that stem cells is kind of a fait accompli and its best to find the best was of doing things as opposed to opposing the whole thing on principle. I mean the horse has kinda bolted hasn't it ?

[Suzy Quzy]

A BIG pro-life THANK YOU!!

[Lunatic Fringe]

What I find amusing are my fellow FReepers that call it "murder" but then say it's ok if private corporations fund it.

[Republican Wildcat]

OK, fine, if Republican Wildcat needs proof that zygotes divide into twins, here's an article to read:

You're an idiot - I stated that myself on this thread long ago - don't you know what mitosis is?

I'll say it once again - this is comical. You are making a complete fool of yourself. Why don't you stop now while you are behind?

[newfarm4000n]

Glad to have made you laugh (/sarc). I didn't go so far as to call it murder though.

[do the dhue]

they have been brainwashed.

I read a book back during the Cold War (that was before there we PCs and the Internet) that may explain this brainwashing. And I other knowledge that may shed light on this. The book was written by a Chechslovakian defector and if I am not mistaken it is actually banned in some parts of the west.

The book explained that the Soviet's would buy our politicians to change our laws and change our culture and backbone. The communist would spew their propaganda through out the US. The poor, disillusioned, and the weak would be targeted first. Institution would be targeted (see the ACLU, Hollywood, and I think the DNC).

Now, go check out the American Communist web page, the socialist party web page and the DNCs web page. Do a search and see the similarities. Now, I know of a project that is interesting enough: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VENONA_project VENONA Project

I found that the above link raised my eyebrows and left many questions. I would like to ask some questions about Joe McCarthy. This may get you to ask questions too?
Here is another link to check out:
Was Joe right?

I don't think it is a bad idea to ask the question. I don't believe a word Hollywood says. I don't believe the Lame Stream Media. I think these people, hippies and the rest of the liberals bit into the commie propaganda spewed in our country by the Soviets during the Cold War. I may be wrong, but I think there are a lot of questions to be asked and answered.

You may not like it but I agree that they have been brainwashed and I think I know who did it.

[Lunatic Fringe]

I am making a fool of myself? Why don't you explain what it is you want "proof" on instead of dancing around it? You said I denied I needed to provide proof, what about?

You're an idiot

BTW, name-calling is prohibited on this forum. But if you'd like to take the debate down to that level, I'd be happy to oblige.

[narses]

And an inoperable set of Siamese Twins fails your personal definition of humanity as well, as they are not both an "indivisible lifeform" and "an individual", right?

You want to be able to define human life and defy all other definitions. Your hubris is amazing.+

[Lunatic Fringe]

By indivisible, I mean that you cannot take one human being and divide it into two. Siamese twins are the result of a zygote not dividing fully. The zygote was not two human beings at conception. If anything, your example supports my point that life does NOT begin at conception, but begins at some other point in the gestation process.

[cdnerds]

To Quote Bush.... Id rather be right then popular! That is Bush in a nutshell. My view is the right way is not always the nice way. I back him 100%

[Just A Nobody]

You have probably seen this, but check this out!

And #10 is interesting here.

[admiralsn]

....you silly blob of sperm, you....

Hahahahahaha.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"An apple seed is not an apple tree. An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus.

But we have a bunch of brainwashed fools who let their religion rule their lives. Pathetic."

So, what is an apple seed after it is planted and begins growing?

[little jeremiah]

What a thread. Just able to check in at the end. The supporters of death are not only foolish and irrational, but lost in the dark. They are actually very sad. Their spurts of anger and aggression are pathetic.

Too bad they don't understand the very basic foundation of freedom and responsibility, and the Golden Rule, which is the very ground of human civilization.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

He's many days late and many dollars short.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"Have we destroyed a human life?"

Yes, one human life out of 2 was destroyed.

You are the one that pointed out that otherwise, they would have been twins.

[do the dhue]

I had not seen these sites. More interesting data. Thank you very much.

Did you check these out:

Commie Party USA (CPUSA)

Socialist Party USA (SP-USA)

If you can stomach those sites, and then compare how the demorats act today. I see similarities and/or parallels between the three parties.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"P.S.: A zygote is not even a fetus, much less a human being."

A zygote, created from 1 human male and 1 human female is not a human.

A zygote grows into a fetus.

A fetus grows into a human.

What are the magical steps that change 1 human male cell, that combines with 1 human female cell into a non-human?

Also what are the magical steps that transform a fetus (created from 1 human male and 1 human female) into a human?

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"An embryo is not a human being until it is a fetus."

A human male cell is added to a human female cell, and a non-human is created.

Later that same combination grows and becomes a human.

What science is this? What magic changes the 2 human cells into non-human cells? What magic later transforms the combination into human form?

Were they not human all along?

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"They isolated the embryonic stem cell not even 10 years ago. I'd hardly call the results to date a failure."

You have no idea how much worldwide has been spent on embryonic stem cell research, and how hard people have worked to show some success, only to have absolutely no success.

It is a dead end.

It was created from nothing but theory, and the theory has zero reason to continue and every reason to be trashed.