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1 posted on 07/19/2006 11:13:08 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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BTTT!


2 posted on 07/19/2006 11:13:57 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Going partly violently to the thing 24-7!)
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Greenland Temperatures Were Warmer in 1905-1955
3 posted on 07/19/2006 11:17:23 AM PDT by Shermy
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Thats a shame about Manhattan but the Netherlands and much of California being gone? Well...GOOD!


4 posted on 07/19/2006 11:17:51 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("Going to war without the French is like deer hunting without an accordion." Swartzkopf)
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ckick my name for my adventure as a weaterman on the Greenland icecap.


5 posted on 07/19/2006 11:18:24 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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Average temperatures in Greenland have risen by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 30 years

Headline should have read "HEAT WAVE IN GREENLAND CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMING!!!! Gore on aircraft to investigate

What an incredible load of tinfoil hat, sky-is-falling ka-ka!!
6 posted on 07/19/2006 11:19:46 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Considering that it's been proven the
Far North frigid zone was once a tropical
zone, wherein is the amazement about its
going through another cycle? At what
level did these global warming geeks
abandon the fundamentals of education
and skip to the "Mother Nature is Doomed"
philosophy?


7 posted on 07/19/2006 11:21:08 AM PDT by Grendel9 (quen)
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Global warming is a win-win situation. First, we've finally thwarted the Vikings! Second, when California is submerged, we can hand it over as a homeland for the illegals.


8 posted on 07/19/2006 11:22:17 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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If the layers of ice and snow holding billions of tons of water were to melt, scientists warn that global sea levels would rise by 40 feet, submerging lower Manhattan, the Netherlands and much of California.

As a political conservative, I'm having trouble conceiving this to be a bad thing.
9 posted on 07/19/2006 11:22:29 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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Average temperatures in Greenland have risen by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 30 years

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GOOD! Maybe they can start growing their own ethanol now. That's energy independence baby. (:^*)

11 posted on 07/19/2006 11:23:09 AM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2840137.stm

11 March, 2003

BBC

Greenland is significantly cooler now than it was 40 years ago.

Data taken from eight stations

While scientists report warming trends in many parts of the globe, it seems this northern polar region has been moving in the other direction.

The finding is based on an analysis of historical meteorological data collected by Danish researchers.

It shows that during the period 1958 to 2001 average temperatures in the southern part of the island fell by 1.29 C. Sea-surface temperatures in the Labrador Sea also fell.

Globally, temperatures have risen over this period (+0.53 C) and in Greenland itself scientists have recently reported fairly dramatic thinning of the island's ice sheet. ...

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It appears in 2006 some new Danish researchers were found to massage the data.


12 posted on 07/19/2006 11:24:33 AM PDT by Shermy
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Perhaps it is true that over the past several decades the average temperatures have risen, but up here next to the Arctic Circle we've had the "summer without a summer." Right now it is about 52 degrees outside under gray skies, which is more typical of mid-August than mid-July. June was a bust - lots of cold weather and rainy skies. It might have snowed on the north slope last night.

All of which says nothing about global warming, since one season is not a trend. However, I can tell you that 5,000 years ago the treeline was significantly north of its present location, and 18,000 years ago, the forest in my backyard was replaced by a grassy plain like central Asia.

Even if the dire predictions are the ones that are real, the best response is based on free-market capitalism and a society based on individual liberty and human freedom. However, having been raised on dire predictions all of my life, starting with "The Population Bomb" when I was in junior high school and concluding with an overheated planet, I simply don't believe the scaremongers. Climate changes have taken place for millions of years - and are apparently especially marked during ice ages, in which we are in the middle of one episode. I expect change. One day, when Antarctica moves away from the South Pole and the Atlantic opens up sufficiently to allow warm water to wash into the Arctic Ocean, then we can all bask in the same warmth as the dinosaurs as redwoods and oaks circle the lukewarm water at the top of the world.

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't try corn and watermelon this year (which worked great last summer, which was a hot one). Maybe next year.


13 posted on 07/19/2006 11:25:59 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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Sounds like the temperature it is trying to get back to when the Vikings were there in 900 to 1200 plus or minus. Much warmer around 1000 years ago according to archaeological digs and the Viking writings.
14 posted on 07/19/2006 11:27:29 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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Bush's fault!


15 posted on 07/19/2006 11:27:39 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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I've been saying this for months. When we are forced to migrate to Alaska we'll be thankful for the couple of degrees.


17 posted on 07/19/2006 11:31:53 AM PDT by kinghorse
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"In former Vice President Al Gore's recent film "An Inconvenient Truth," the melting of Greenland's ice cap, along with a similar cap in the Antarctic, is portrayed as one of the greatest threats of global warming. If the layers of ice and snow holding billions of tons of water were to melt, scientists warn that global sea levels would rise by 40 feet,...."

This is a fine example of the sophistry used in Gore's propaganda flick. The "if" is glossed over -- but, it's a mighty big IF. The amount of ice and snow is increasing on most of Antarctica. Sea levels won't rise from the melting of Antarctic ice -- because it isn't happening. Global warming (to the extent that it actually occurs) will increase evaporation from the oceans -- and, in turn, increase snowfall in the Antarctic.
18 posted on 07/19/2006 11:33:00 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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One thing about the flooding that I do not get is this...

If all of the snow/ice that is on land melts, the water level will go up, but if all of the snow/ice melts that is in the water, the water level will go down significantly...

So which is more? Snow/ice on land or snow/ice in the water. that should predict the direction of the sea level change.
19 posted on 07/19/2006 11:35:37 AM PDT by jrestrepo
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Greenland was much warmer about 1,000 than it is today. The little ice ago wiped out the European settlements.
23 posted on 07/19/2006 11:52:44 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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As a possession of tiny (and lowlying) Denmark, here is a place for coastal folks to go.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gl.html

Greenland was warmer in the past, with trees. Lief Ericson and other Vikings were there for awhile. They went west to explore coastal Canada.


24 posted on 07/19/2006 11:54:03 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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Why do you think the Vikings called it Greenland? In the days of Eric the Red it was much warmer and greener in "Greenland" than it is now, so much so that Vikings established settlements there with goats and chickens to boot.

Alas, then there later was global cooling, and the ocean levels dropped and there was a water shortage, but the only difference was that then, no liberal socialists existed to scream about it.

The natives wet to eating fish and seals while scarfing the odd polar bear, and then starved.

History puts modern environmentalist liberal socialist screaming meemies into the chicken little category.

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http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/end_of_vikings_greenland.html

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By the year 1300 more than 3,000 colonists lived on 300 farms scattered along the west coast of Greenland (Schaefer, 1997.) However, even as early as 1197, the climate had turned much less favorable and drift ice was beginning to appear along the vital trade routes (Lamb, 1995.) Cool weather caused poor harvests in an already fragile climate. Because of the poor harvests there was less food for the livestock which resulted in a decreased meat supply. These conditions made it even more vital that trade continued with Iceland and the rest of Europe.

Due to an increase in drift ice along Greenland's east coast, the sailing route had to be changed. Ships had to head farther south and then turn back to reach the settlements along the southwest coast. The longer distance and increased threat of ice caused fewer ships to visit Greenland (Bryson, 1977.) Ivar Bardsson, a Norwegian priest who lived in Greenland from 1341 to 1364, wrote: "From Snefelsness in Iceland, to Greenland, the shortest way: two days and three nights. Sailing due west. In…the sea there are reefs called Gunbiernershier. That was the old route, but now the ice is come from the north, so close to the reefs that none can sail by the old route without risking his life." (Ladurie, 1971.) In 1492, the Pope complained that no bishop had been able to visit Greenland for 80 years on account of the ice (Calder, 1974.) It is most likely that his Greenland congregation was already dead or had moved on by that time. Hermann (1954) notes that during the mid-1300's many Greenlanders had moved on to Markland (presently Newfoundland) in search of a more suitable environment, mainly due to a cooler climate and over-use of their natural resources.

The graves and ruins in Greenland show that the people did make an attempt at civilized living until the end but the cold and lack of proper nourishment took a heavy toll (Bryson, 1977.) The early Greenland Vikings stood 5'7" or taller but by about 1400, Lamb (1966) states that the average Greenlander was probably less than five feet tall. After World War I, Denmark sent a commission to Greenland which found the remains of the early settlements. In their last years, the Greenland Vikings were severely crippled, dwarflike, twisted, and diseased (Hermann, 1954.)

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29 posted on 07/19/2006 12:50:35 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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When will the Vikings return?


31 posted on 07/19/2006 12:53:54 PM PDT by shekkian
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